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Felt like star wars just not the corny 70s type, thank god nor the turd fest of the prequels.

It's a movie, fantasy. people need to just enjoy them not get hung up on is it perfectly cannon or not.



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Aeolus451 said:
It has too many plot holes and it shatters SW canon. It's the perfect little cashcow for disney and the fans who don't care if it makes any sense or follows canon. After these recent movies, I'm better off just ignoring the series altogether until disney sells the IP.

You'll ignore Star Wars until the end of time then

Disney selling the Star Wars IP is about as likely as Nintendo selling the Mario IP.



I think he’s right. That’s why so many movies go south after the first or second movie. There’s several movies that have part one and two but part three or four usually kills movie.



Gamer147 said:
I think he’s right. That’s why so many movies go south after the first or second movie. There’s several movies that have part one and two but part three or four usually kills movie.

Yahh but even Tokyo drift failed to kill FF sadly.  Some are roaches, you can't kill them lol.  Id wager most issues is the original movie was ever designed for sequels, but box office success demands milking.  People should complain if Swars ever fails to rake in a billion, or is legit bad movie to watch or enjoyable.  

 



The argument that fans just want the same thing as before is a tired one that falls apart with even the slightest examination. Breath of the Wild, AC Black Flag, Devil May Cry 3, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 4 & 7; all beloved sequels to pre-established series that introduced numerous drastic changes to the usual formula. Or, if we're just considering movies, Logan, Thor: Ragnarok, and the Dark Knight are all notable departures from their preceding films, and have been widely praised.

The primary reason why innovative movies, and in particular, The Last Jedi, are criticized so widely is because they add a number of new elements, but don't implement them very well, and end up as a worse movie as a result. TLJ introduces or expands upon a ton of plot points/characters, Luke's history with Kylo Ren, child slave trafficking, the relationship between Finn and Rose, tracking down a codebreaker to get through star destroyer shields, Rey's connection with Kylo Ren, Phasma, Snoke, Poe, Leia, that one Rebel commander lady whose name escapes me, and then on top of all that, tries to add some context to the current state of the universe and the history of the Jedi. There simply isn't enough room for all of this, even in a movie as long as TLJ, and the end result is a bunch of plot points and character arcs all competing for screen time, and none of them getting the development they need. The fact that the movie spends a solid 5th of its run time on a trip to a space casino that ultimately barely contributes to the plot in any way simply compounds this. TLJ needed to pick maybe five of these, spend its run time really fleshing them out, and then have a well executed setup to a final installment with some well developed characters who people are invested in. As it stands, we head into the final installment with two main protagonists who barely have any personality or motivation established, a villain who has no motivation beyond teenage angst, and a set of side characters who have even less development.

After TFA, one would think that there would be a number of priorities for its sequel. Fleshing out the characters of Snoke, Finn, and Rey. Give Phasma some screen time after she was so thoroughly ignored in TFA. TLJ gets around to, at best, two of these, and one hardly counts considering that they take the time to characterize Snoke and then proceed to immediately kill him off. What is the point of establishing an Emperor-esque figure that is so much more powerful than everyone if you're just going to off him not even halfway into the trilogy?

On top of this, there are plot holes on top of plot holes, probably as a result of the movie trying to juggle so many plot points. Why can Leia magically float through space now? How did Rey develop competent lightsaber wielding and force using skills within the span of a day of lessons? It took Anakin years to get there, so what makes Rey so special beyond simply having "raw power." Why does Luke not tell the resistance that he's going to buy time for them to escape, and instead has to rely on Poe being able to intuit his plan? Why does creating a projection of himself kill Luke? Where the hell did Snoke come from, and how did he get to be such a powerful force user? And still, how the hell did Luke/Anakin's old lightsaber wind up in Lemon Head's possession? Again, these could have been addressed if TLJ made better use of its time. But it didn't, and now Episode IX has a ton of baggage from the previous two movies along with whatever storyline it carries out, and chances are a significant portion of these will be dropped and never heard from again.

Wanting to do something new doesn't make TLJ a bad movie. Introducing new elements to the series doesn't make it a bad movie. What makes it a disappointment, at the very least, is the fact that it introduces so many different things that it's ultimately unable to give any of them the attention they deserve. What we're left with is a tangled mess of underdeveloped plot threads and half baked character arcs that ultimately leave more questions than they do answers.



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The force awakens was a repackaged a new hope. That was the problem.
I enjoyed the movie all the same though. It was certainly a step in the right direction but I would have liked more risks to be taken like in Rogue One. I have yet to see the last Jedi.



Still haven't seen Last Jedi, but based on my viewings of the other 7 episodes as a Star Wars fan, I can kinda see where George is coming from in preferring a Star Wars that isn't a "rehash" of the old Star Wars movies. Don't get me wrong, the prequels were pretty bad, ESPECIALLY Episodes 1 and 2, but one of the few good things I can say about them is they at least did something different. TFA, while it was well made, felt like a "safe" reboot of Star Wars, even following many of the beats of ANH pretty consistently, and to be honest I've only seen it a couple of times and have little desire to rewatch it.

For that reason, RoTS actually was more memorable to me. Now I'll be the first to admit that part of this could be nostalgic bias getting in the way, as I was a teenager when Episode 3 came out rather than a cynical jaded adult I am now and was during Episode 7, but I still feel that something about Episode 3 just resonates more despite it having many more flaws than Episode 7.. So I'm glad to hear that Episode 8 seems to stray from the typical Star Wars formula once again. But we shall see when I watch it I guess.. What I'm hoping for with Ep 8 is something that has a large impact on me like Ep 3 and is more unique in narrative while being a deeper, better crafted movie like Ep 7 with far fewer flaws/plot holes. THAT would truly get me back into the saga.



 

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I mean, there's some truth to that. As much as some people complain about the sameness of TFA, I think there's a human impulse to seek out what's familiar and safe. What does Fry say about television in Futurama? "Clever things make people feel stupid and unexpected things make them feel scared."



I agree with him. But also take into account this is the first Star Wars movie since 2005 to introduce new concepts. Ep. 7 did not show anything that wasn't already in a movie prior. The 6 previous films did. Now, I don't know how people reacted to the new concepts that were shown in the prequels, but as you guys know not everything is seen twice if the reception towards it is negative; see, force speed or whatever it is Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan do in Ep. 1.

Another thing: This movie is being directly defiant towards JJ Abrams. Like this entire movie is a shit take on The Force Awakens. From the moment the movie starts to the end, you can tell that Rian Johnson has some sort of disdain for JJ Abrams. The scene we leave on in TFA? Tossed out, literally. You can tell there are some characters he doesn't care about so he does... what he does with them. Things that JJ built up, Rian brought down, and brought down reallllyyy bad. This movie is the equivalent to JJ making a sand castle and Rian kicking it after he finished. Even the title suggests that. "The Force Awakens" -when you hear that you think this is a start to more Jedi and that's something we thought we were building to in TFA, but then we have Rian's title, "The Last Jedi" which is basically "Nah, fuck you".

When you notice it, when you see that this movie is being directly defiant to the one before it, you start to understand the film better and why it was made the way it was. And... idk, I'm fairly sure JJ Abrams is pissed about it. Especially now that he has to tie the knot of this trilogy XD I could see some more "fuck you" moments from JJ to Rian in Ep. 9, actually, I expect it. This tug of war creates pretty unpredictable writing, imo.

Also, JJ Abrams, prob also isn't happy that his love letter to SW isn't as liked by Lucas as TLJ is. Very Cain and Able moment v.v XD