If anything, I felt the biggest fault of the movie was that it crept out into uncharted territory, then scurried right back to safety.

*Spoilers*

Rey and Ren should've destroyed the whole thing--Sith, Jedi, Rebellion, First Order, and started fresh.

I can't believe they didn't keep going in that direction. They just teased around the idea, abandoned some of the dumber/useless things in TFA (Rey's parents MacGuffin and Snoak), suggested heavily that it wouldn't be as formulaic, and then set up a beautiful scenario where the two major Force-wielders in the movie actually team up instead of fighting each other. If they just let the past die and set up a new balance or whatever and pave the way for a brand new story, that would've been great.

But once Rey pulled a fast one on him, the movie just abandoned all kinds of potential. It positioned itself so well for new storytelling, but instead they went right back to Rebels-Jedi/Empire-Sith junk. That was the most disappointing part for me.

It was alright though. It wasn't bad, but I don't think I'd watch it again.

I made a list in the other thread. Just posting it here for the fun of it. The movie was awful.

1: Gravity in space.
2: Poe's arc goes nowhere.
3: Casino bay was all for nothing.
4: Luke is a bad teacher.
5: Somehow I have to care about moral gray area regarding the jedi and the rebels/resistance. Fuck off.
6: Yoda speak complete unbroken sentences.
7: I don't care for Rey. She is an overpowered mary-sue. This movie cements that. Backstory ruined her for me.
8: Ackbar dies unceremoniously, but fuck him, we have Admiral gender studies or Loldo that shows up from nowhere and we are supposed to care about her.
9: Rose is useless, also, yin and yang? Really? Wrong sister died btw.
10: So many un-starwarsy shots: Slow-motion, extreme close ups, long drawn out scenes.
11: The plot and battle are basically straight out of a Star Wars Rebels episode.
12: Super weapons are useless, since anyone can kamikaze hypedrive the fuck out of them.
13: Porgs are annoying, Chewy is reduces to comic relief with porgs.
14: Hardly any R2 and C3PO scenes. Hello?
15: BB8 the superdroid can take on the first order himself.
16: How the hell did the resistance get reduced to 40 people? Where's everyone?
17: Snoke was cool, but wasted and dead. Basically Snope.
18: Leia Supermans out of space.
19: Dumb 1940 style bombers. So Y-Wings not useful anymore? What happened to them?
20: Luke never taught the third lesson.
21: Titmonsters and blue milk.
22: Benicio del Toro is useless.
23: Finn should have sacrificed himself.
24: "Chrome Dome"
25: Death of not-Boba.
26: Kylo is now the main villain. The guy that lost against the mary-sue.
27: Huxtable is reduced to comic relief.
28: The humor is Disney Marvel humor. I thought they were all gonna go for Shawarma afterwards.
29: Animals rights for kangeroo horses.
30: Jedi books. So what happened to holocrons?
31: The Rebel emblem thrown in your face at points.
32: Force sensitive stable boy with broom lightsaber. Who? Why? Who cares.
33: Leia survives. Luke doesn't.
34: Why does Luke force project himself? Just go there.
35: Flat iron troll shot.
36: Pointless shots like the soldier taking a taste of the salt on the surface.
37: Movie is too long.
38: Weak reasoning on Luke and Ben history.
39: Maz Kanada video game hologram.
40: Let go of the past.... Kill the past.... member the Rebels?
41: The Luke shoulder swipe.
42: Snope's body falling and his tongue out like some cartoon.
43: What are all the other first order ships doing?
44: If Luke didn't want to be found, how come there was a map?
45: Stupid salt foxes. It was all CG. I don't care that they had some puppet model they didn't use. It was CG.
46: 75% of all fighter pilots are female. If this isn't gender politics, I don't know what is.
47: Dumb island nun aliens.
48: Over reliance on trinkets. The cubes, the yin-yang, the rebel insignia ring.
49: Walkers do nothing. They just walk and then stand. Oh, they shoot at ghost Luke. Wow.
50: Why didn't loldo just tell Poe what they were going to do?

TO me there is only the original trilogy... all the rest I watch without considering it Star Wars..

After all how many times do they intend to kill and return the Jedi?

I also thought the depiction of Luke was...odd

But if you think about it..it's been a long time since VI, he has gone through a lot.

Inevitably the character was gonna be different, he was a driven little kid basically, now he's experienced. Still I wish they could have developed him in a different direction, just look at Obi Wan in IV, he was old and yet his attitude was completely different.

Still, I cannot defny TLJ is well crafted. Besides some absurd things, it is an entertaining movie. I wish it was shorter though, I hate long movies. There were some badass moments and overall it isn't a bad movie at all.

A big part of me wishes that we'd seen the original treatments that Lucas gave to Disney. Hamill was apparently a bigger fan of those plans, and they played a big part in him wanting to return.

Dude, I perfectly know who James Gunn is, I already saw 2 of their films way before GoTG (the horrible "Slither" and the funny "Super") so I probably knew it way before you, in fact one of my contacts (Kevin Huver) worked as camera assistant in "Super", who is the one that doesn't know what is talking about here? Obviously you, since you really believe a hugely popular superstar doesn't have any freedom to record an album that may cost 1m$ but a pretty unkown director for the vast majority has all the freedom with a 200m$ film invested by a lot of people that wants to earn money with it, now that's a clear sign you know little to nothing about the industry.

The movie is a great Star Wars film for the casual movie goer, but when put in front of a true Star Wars fan, it leaves way too many unanswered questions and things that just don't add up.
Lukes actions do not add up to who Luke was built up to be throughout his history.
Strong dark side villains are a big misstep in the new trilogy. Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader, Count Dooku. Anyone of these villains would wipe the floor with Kylo Ren. And as we saw briefly, even Supreme leader Snook. But within 20 mins of screen time, you kill him off too. Where are the strong memorable characters ?
Why was Captain Phasma, a fan favorite among many, killed off with just 10 mins of screen time ?? why, WHY ???

I don't know where this film is going with the 3rd installment, but I do hope to god we get to see some memorable character development. This trilogy is missing a villain thats feared among the jedi.

I rewatched the prequels (and all the other movies) this weekend with my mates as prep for The Last Jedi, and they definitely aren't 7/10 movies. They are perhaps 5/10 movies, ie. wholly mediocre. They have some nice moments, but it's riddled with bad dialogue that kills the importance of almost any situation.

They aren't crap movies, and they don't deserve all of the hate they get, but don't cut them too much slack.

As for The Last Jedi, I think it did bring some important development, but it did have some flaws as well. Partly, it tries to tell a bit too much. All in all, I did enjoy it though.

You should spoilertag the rest of your post so you don't ruin the movie for someone else.

I'm still amazed to see people able to defend this movie.

Defend it to the point they are going to attack the fans to deny the objective flaws of this movie.


So many things are wrong with it, you have to accept that, for example, would you dare to say this star wars has not the worst OST of all star wars movies ?
Star Wars without a good OST is not star wars anymore