MTZehvor said: ...I keep coming back to all of these, because they all bother me to a degree (except for 2, although that brings up another issue that I tied into #4). I'm not sure where the claim that Snoke is the one I continually reference. And, again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by saying "these aren't plotholes." Are you arguing that these claims, even if my logic does hold up, aren't plotholes, or just that my logic is flawed and therefore it isn't a plothole?
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I'm not interested in going back and forth on every point, so I'm just going to focus on this one, since it seems to best exemplify my disagreement with you.
" You mentioned in a previous post that: Luke however, unlike the others, still has something to do in this world. So he is able to partially give himself to the force, essentially leaving him halfway between life and death, which is why his force apparition is more corporeal.
Unless I missed something blatant in the movie, this is just speculation, at which point, yes, it does become a plothole. When a certain established character or power somehow gains the ability to do something which they were unable to do before without a stated or easily inferred explanation as to why, it becomes a plothole."
This just isn't a plothole. A movie not explaining everything in detail is not a plothole. A plothole is when something happens in the movie that goes against established rules or simply doesn't make sense.
Luke gaining a new ability doesn't violate any rules. It's a logical extension of the rules. We have seen by this point three characters doing something incredibly similar to this, two of them were involved in training Luke, and at least two out of the three people have communed with Luke after his death. It isn't a plot hole any more than Luke suddenly being able to summon his light saber, Obi Wan being able to appear as a ghost, the Emperor busting out force lightning, Darth Vader using force choke for the first time, or any other instance of them showing off a new ability. We have a good sense of what the force can do, and if a character is doing something that is within this realm, we don't need a detailed explanation as to why.
A movie not explaining everything in detail is not a plothole, and that seems what your complaints are about. If you want to say that you just don't like this style of storytelling, that's your opinion, but plothole implies an objective error which none of these are.