This is the 3rd time i have to say this. i never once compared COD/FIFA to Mario/Zelda, that was never the argument.

The whole discussion started because somebody asked what big games did PS4 have in 2014 and i made a list of over a dozen big games that released that year. Somebody then said they are multiplat as an argument and i replied COD/FIFA/etc are big system sellers regardless of being multiplat.

Thats when you started going on about COD/FIFA vs Mario/Zelda.

Because that is the origin of the comparison. The person put that Switch strong release was linked to have the alleged 2 best games ever selling a lot of system, and them you go there and list those games and call them big system seller just the same wording the guy used for Zelda and Mario.

So unless you have a tendency to use the same word to describe different things you were putting they on similar group. And something that push 100k sales isn't near 5M.

Yes they are indeed huge sellers! But I thought the discussion was about them being like BOTW big or SMO big because BOTW had like over 1 100% attach rate....THAT is another level of big lol. But no one would ever deny that COD and FIFA are huge system sellers on PS$....I hope they wouldn't anyway....that would be crazy lol.

The thing is i didnt just list COD/FIFA but you keep singling out those two games.

i listed COD, FIFA, Madden, NBA, GTA, Assassins Creed, Destiny, Watch Dogs, Far Cry, Dragon Age, Need for Speed, Last of Us, Metal Gear Solid, The Crew, DriveClub, Infamous, Shadow of Mordor, Alien: Isolation, Evil Within, Wofenstein, Thief, WWE, MLB, UFC, Sniper Elite, LittleBigPlanet.

But yes lets keeps arguing about things i never said.

Sure list flops, yearly releases, remaster, etc as big games and system sellers all together... make so much sense.

Barely any of those games are flops, a franchise being yearly doesnt matter when we are talking about a consoles first year and many remasters are huge sellers.

If these games werent system sellers than why the did PS4 sell 18.5 million in ~13 months?

The amount of rediculous shit people will come up with to make it seem like PS4 is at this huge disadvantage against Switch is getting out of hand.

PS4 wasn't at any disadvantage. But to list those games as the reason PS4 was a success then you would have to explain X1 having those games and not being a success, which will show you that the games themselves weren't system sellers.

Don't forget the narrative that PS3 and PS4 "doesn't have games". A great part of the success of PS4 have more to do with the "greatness awaits", the confidence from customers that the system will have great games in the future, much more than now.

Sure few of those were flops, but listing all as big games and big system seller and mixing all of those make your list fall flat.

PS4 wasn't at any disadvantage. But to list those games as the reason PS4 was a success then you would have to explain X1 having those games and not being a success, which will show you that the games themselves weren't system sellers.

Don't forget the narrative that PS3 and PS4 "doesn't have games". A great part of the success of PS4 have more to do with the "greatness awaits", the confidence from customers that the system will have great games in the future, much more than now.

Sure few of those were flops, but listing all as big games and big system seller and mixing all of those make your list fall flat.

So more than a dozen million people bought a PS4 in the first year just to wait for the games to come and not play anything? Fact is having all those games in addition to confidence that more defining experiences were coming as well as a clear policy set from Sony is what made PS4's fly off the shelves all the way from launch until now and into the foreseeable future. It's not just one thing. It's a bunch of factors working together. Whether one identifies those games as system sellers or not is up to one's own agenda but no one can completely negate their effect on hardware sales early in the generation. 

And the X1 may have had these same games but as you yourself have put it, consumer confidence was at a low with the brand due to policies and treatment of compelling first party content at the tail end of last gen. And yet the XB1 still went on to sell really strong numbers for that first year. Not record-setting, but strong nonetheless. That is again attributable to a multitude of things (less so on consumer confidence and policy), one being having these experiences.