Forums - Sales Discussion - Global hardware Nov 4th 2017

DonFerrari said:
pastro243 said:
Well, this shows games like cod and fifa do wonders for hardware for market leaders too. I remember people saying both wouldn't have any effect as "anyone who wanted cod/fifa would already have a ps4"

This week was huge and the fifa week was too, casual and core gamers that had old consoles wait for these games to upgrade/jump in, sony was smart to get these marketing rights

I'm here, so you can name down...

So we are know comparing a 100k bump WoW with what Zelda and Mario done?

zorg1000 said:

Which makes it even funnier that people are arguing with me about how big of system sellers these two franchises are in the NPD thread.

And this thread proves that they aren't nearly as big.

Intrinsic said:

Unfortunately its a sad but ever present misconception. They don't see that those games are casual games. They are the kinda games that some people buy and have it be the only game they have. A FIFA box so to speak. They also don't see that whenever prices drop or there is another deal there are people that always wanted in on that that can now afford to get in.

I don't get it either..... but it happens. Its also funny to me that people treat the market like this finite constant, but don't take into account that every single year there are people that are coming of age and fall into the console buying bracket. So every year certain games will bring in new people that may very well be new to console gaming.

Just imagine how many people turned 10 this year worldwide and wanna play FIFA or COD......

Yes there are new entrants all the time, but on a comparison of system seller the point of comparing the release of Switch with Zelda and Mario with yearly titles was the point.

And Zelda and Mario isn't even 1M system seller, they are much above that as several people would buy the console only for those games.

Also unfortunately there are people that buy a system to keep playing only a single game the whole year.

This is the 3rd time i have to say this. i never once compared COD/FIFA to Mario/Zelda, that was never the argument.

The whole discussion started because somebody asked what big games did PS4 have in 2014 and i made a list of over a dozen big games that released that year. Somebody then said they are multiplat as an argument and i replied COD/FIFA/etc are big system sellers regardless of being multiplat.

Thats when you started going on about COD/FIFA vs Mario/Zelda.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

I'm here, so you can name down...

So we are know comparing a 100k bump WoW with what Zelda and Mario done?

And this thread proves that they aren't nearly as big.

Yes there are new entrants all the time, but on a comparison of system seller the point of comparing the release of Switch with Zelda and Mario with yearly titles was the point.

And Zelda and Mario isn't even 1M system seller, they are much above that as several people would buy the console only for those games.

Also unfortunately there are people that buy a system to keep playing only a single game the whole year.

This is the 3rd time i have to say this. i never once compared COD/FIFA to Mario/Zelda, that was never the argument.

The whole discussion started because somebody asked what big games did PS4 have in 2014 and i made a list of over a dozen big games that released that year. Somebody then said they are multiplat as an argument and i replied COD/FIFA/etc are big system sellers regardless of being multiplat.

Thats when you started going on about COD/FIFA vs Mario/Zelda.

Because that is the origin of the comparison. The person put that Switch strong release was linked to have the alleged 2 best games ever selling a lot of system, and them you go there and list those games and call them big system seller just the same wording the guy used for Zelda and Mario.

So unless you have a tendency to use the same word to describe different things you were putting they on similar group. And something that push 100k sales isn't near 5M.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

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DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

This is the 3rd time i have to say this. i never once compared COD/FIFA to Mario/Zelda, that was never the argument.

The whole discussion started because somebody asked what big games did PS4 have in 2014 and i made a list of over a dozen big games that released that year. Somebody then said they are multiplat as an argument and i replied COD/FIFA/etc are big system sellers regardless of being multiplat.

Thats when you started going on about COD/FIFA vs Mario/Zelda.

Because that is the origin of the comparison. The person put that Switch strong release was linked to have the alleged 2 best games ever selling a lot of system, and them you go there and list those games and call them big system seller just the same wording the guy used for Zelda and Mario.

So unless you have a tendency to use the same word to describe different things you were putting they on similar group. And something that push 100k sales isn't near 5M.

The thing is i didnt just list COD/FIFA but you keep singling out those two games.

i listed COD, FIFA, Madden, NBA, GTA, Assassins Creed, Destiny, Watch Dogs, Far Cry, Dragon Age, Need for Speed, Last of Us, Metal Gear Solid, The Crew, DriveClub, Infamous, Shadow of Mordor, Alien: Isolation, Evil Within, Wofenstein, Thief, WWE, MLB, UFC, Sniper Elite, LittleBigPlanet.

But yes lets keeps arguing about things i never said.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Because that is the origin of the comparison. The person put that Switch strong release was linked to have the alleged 2 best games ever selling a lot of system, and them you go there and list those games and call them big system seller just the same wording the guy used for Zelda and Mario.

So unless you have a tendency to use the same word to describe different things you were putting they on similar group. And something that push 100k sales isn't near 5M.

The thing is i didnt just list COD/FIFA but you keep singling out those two games.

i listed COD, FIFA, Madden, NBA, GTA, Assassins Creed, Destiny, Watch Dogs, Far Cry, Dragon Age, Need for Speed, Last of Us, Metal Gear Solid, The Crew, DriveClub, Infamous, Shadow of Mordor, Alien: Isolation, Evil Within, Wofenstein, Thief, WWE, MLB, UFC, Sniper Elite, LittleBigPlanet.

But yes lets keeps arguing about things i never said.

Sure list flops, yearly releases, remaster, etc as big games and system sellers all together... make so much sense.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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zorg1000 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Yes they are indeed huge sellers! But I thought the discussion was about them being like BOTW big or SMO big because BOTW had like over 1 100% attach rate....THAT is another level of big lol. But no one would ever deny that COD and FIFA are huge system sellers on PS$....I hope they wouldn't anyway....that would be crazy lol.

No, thats what Don keeps trying to make the argumet about but i never once stated they were.

The whole argument started because somebody asked what big games PS4 had in 2014 so i made a list of the big hitters including COD, FIFA, Madden, NBA, Assassin's Creed, Destiny, GTAV, Watch Dogs, Dragon Age, Evil Within, Last of Us, Nathan Drake Collection, etc.

Somehow that evolved into people telling me COD/FIFA arent as big of system sellers as Mario/Zelda, which again i never said they were.

Ahhhhhhh okay I got you now.



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DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

The thing is i didnt just list COD/FIFA but you keep singling out those two games.

i listed COD, FIFA, Madden, NBA, GTA, Assassins Creed, Destiny, Watch Dogs, Far Cry, Dragon Age, Need for Speed, Last of Us, Metal Gear Solid, The Crew, DriveClub, Infamous, Shadow of Mordor, Alien: Isolation, Evil Within, Wofenstein, Thief, WWE, MLB, UFC, Sniper Elite, LittleBigPlanet.

But yes lets keeps arguing about things i never said.

Sure list flops, yearly releases, remaster, etc as big games and system sellers all together... make so much sense.

Barely any of those games are flops, a franchise being yearly doesnt matter when we are talking about a consoles first year and many remasters are huge sellers.

If these games werent system sellers than why the did PS4 sell 18.5 million in ~13 months?

The amount of rediculous shit people will come up with to make it seem like PS4 is at this huge disadvantage against Switch is getting out of hand.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure list flops, yearly releases, remaster, etc as big games and system sellers all together... make so much sense.

Barely any of those games are flops, a franchise being yearly doesnt matter when we are talking about a consoles first year and many remasters are huge sellers.

If these games werent system sellers than why the did PS4 sell 18.5 million in ~13 months?

The amount of rediculous shit people will come up with to make it seem like PS4 is at this huge disadvantage against Switch is getting out of hand.

PS4 wasn't at any disadvantage. But to list those games as the reason PS4 was a success then you would have to explain X1 having those games and not being a success, which will show you that the games themselves weren't system sellers.

Don't forget the narrative that PS3 and PS4 "doesn't have games". A great part of the success of PS4 have more to do with the "greatness awaits", the confidence from customers that the system will have great games in the future, much more than now.

Sure few of those were flops, but listing all as big games and big system seller and mixing all of those make your list fall flat.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Barely any of those games are flops, a franchise being yearly doesnt matter when we are talking about a consoles first year and many remasters are huge sellers.

If these games werent system sellers than why the did PS4 sell 18.5 million in ~13 months?

The amount of rediculous shit people will come up with to make it seem like PS4 is at this huge disadvantage against Switch is getting out of hand.

PS4 wasn't at any disadvantage. But to list those games as the reason PS4 was a success then you would have to explain X1 having those games and not being a success, which will show you that the games themselves weren't system sellers.

Don't forget the narrative that PS3 and PS4 "doesn't have games". A great part of the success of PS4 have more to do with the "greatness awaits", the confidence from customers that the system will have great games in the future, much more than now.

Sure few of those were flops, but listing all as big games and big system seller and mixing all of those make your list fall flat.

The reason any console succeeds is a combination of hardware, software, marketing & price.

PS4 & Switch both meet all 4 of those criteria and that is why they are both doing great.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

PS4 wasn't at any disadvantage. But to list those games as the reason PS4 was a success then you would have to explain X1 having those games and not being a success, which will show you that the games themselves weren't system sellers.

Don't forget the narrative that PS3 and PS4 "doesn't have games". A great part of the success of PS4 have more to do with the "greatness awaits", the confidence from customers that the system will have great games in the future, much more than now.

Sure few of those were flops, but listing all as big games and big system seller and mixing all of those make your list fall flat.

The reason any console succeeds is a combination of hardware, software, marketing & price.

PS4 & Switch both meet all 4 of those criteria and that is why they are both doing great.

Sure thing. Still that show your list didn't compromise only big system sellers as you first was trying and you skipped that.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994