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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global hardware Nov 4th 2017

DonFerrari on 13 December 2017
VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

Well for MS they threated X1 as record breaking, but let's not dwelve there.

Sure having all those games contributed to the success. But two dozen games together helping create interest versus a single game being the system seller are very different situation and that is the whole point from that thread.

In terms of worldwide sales, I think the XB1 does have the record for highest ever day 1/week 1 sales.

I was talking about MS PR about X1 being the fastest seller Xbox console.

Record for launch is PS4, it sold more. But I think when you pick the 2 weeks or something like that X1 sold more because PS4 were out of stock on the days/week after release.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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VGPolyglot on 13 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

In terms of worldwide sales, I think the XB1 does have the record for highest ever day 1/week 1 sales.

I was talking about MS PR about X1 being the fastest seller Xbox console.

Record for launch is PS4, it sold more. But I think when you pick the 2 weeks or something like that X1 sold more because PS4 were out of stock on the days/week after release.

PS4 sold less as it was only available in North America at first, while the Xbox One was released in select countries across the globe.



DonFerrari on 13 December 2017
VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

I was talking about MS PR about X1 being the fastest seller Xbox console.

Record for launch is PS4, it sold more. But I think when you pick the 2 weeks or something like that X1 sold more because PS4 were out of stock on the days/week after release.

PS4 sold less as it was only available in North America at first, while the Xbox One was released in select countries across the globe.

That may be the case... PS4 launched with 2 weeks difference between USA and Europe while Xbox launched in the middle week on 13 countries right? But I remember even in USA X1 having a better first 2 weeks of sale than PS4 because of PS4 being out of stock.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Nymeria on 13 December 2017

PlayStation 4 sales continue to impress, be interesting to see how 2017 sales compare to 2018.



derpysquirtle64 on 13 December 2017
VGPolyglot said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

It should be pretty obvious that Activision wanted more money than before because some sort of exclusivity and marketing for smaller userbase is always more expensive. But MS really should have paid them. You can just take a look at 2015 and what boost PS4 had because of Call Of Duty deal.

Well, I don't know whether or not Activision were willing to go with MS.

Activision is willing to go where the money is. Microsoft just weren't willing to pay them enough for this deal anymore. And that's a mistake.



 

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flashfire926 on 13 December 2017

Cod marketing/bundle deal paying off for sony. It has proven to be a good get for them.



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

derpysquirtle64 on 13 December 2017
VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

I was talking about MS PR about X1 being the fastest seller Xbox console.

Record for launch is PS4, it sold more. But I think when you pick the 2 weeks or something like that X1 sold more because PS4 were out of stock on the days/week after release.

PS4 sold less as it was only available in North America at first, while the Xbox One was released in select countries across the globe.

I'm kinda surprised by this. Because Microsoft completely fucked up Xbox One launch worldwide. Probably it affected their sales against PS4 as well. They've launched it only in 20 countries or so in 2013. And then expanded to a lot more markets only 1 year after release while PS4 was selling everywhere for a whole year.



 

zorg1000 on 13 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

The reason any console succeeds is a combination of hardware, software, marketing & price.

PS4 & Switch both meet all 4 of those criteria and that is why they are both doing great.

Sure thing. Still that show your list didn't compromise only big system sellers as you first was trying and you skipped that.

Sure, a couple of the games performed worse than i had remembered but the point remains the same, PS4 had a whole bunch of multimillion selling games and some of the biggest franchises in history in its first year.



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Intrinsic on 13 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Barely any of those games are flops, a franchise being yearly doesnt matter when we are talking about a consoles first year and many remasters are huge sellers.

If these games werent system sellers than why the did PS4 sell 18.5 million in ~13 months?

The amount of rediculous shit people will come up with to make it seem like PS4 is at this huge disadvantage against Switch is getting out of hand.

PS4 wasn't at any disadvantage. But to list those games as the reason PS4 was a success then you would have to explain X1 having those games and not being a success, which will show you that the games themselves weren't system sellers.

Don't forget the narrative that PS3 and PS4 "doesn't have games". A great part of the success of PS4 have more to do with the "greatness awaits", the confidence from customers that the system will have great games in the future, much more than now.

Sure few of those were flops, but listing all as big games and big system seller and mixing all of those make your list fall flat.

PS4 wasn't just cheaper than the XB1 but it was also deemed to be more powerful as all those games ran better on the PS4. Which also meant that the "PS4" version was what was shown and used in reviews. Thats aka mindshare.

PS4 also didn't have an always online and no sharing scandal riding into the launch window.

I really can't understand how you can look at some of the best selling game IPs across generations and say that they in no way impact system sales. There are a lot of people that jumped into this gen just to play the latest madden, COD, NBA2k or FIFA. If the best place to play those games is percieved to be the PS4 then those games represent system sellers for the PS4.



DonFerrari on 13 December 2017
zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure thing. Still that show your list didn't compromise only big system sellers as you first was trying and you skipped that.

Sure, a couple of the games performed worse than i had remembered but the point remains the same, PS4 had a whole bunch of multimillion selling games and some of the biggest franchises in history in its first year.

That much is true, but your stretch to call all of them system seller is untrue.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."