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Does a Linux future intrest you?

I am fine with Windows 36 50.70%
 
I want to break free 18 25.35%
 
Penguins are cute 17 23.94%
 
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caffeinade said:

And I understand I am replying to the wrong post, but, meh.

That you are. Still, valid pros for Linux.



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caffeinade said:
Zkuq said:

I don't like that a company (e.g. Microsoft) can dictate so much about what happens on my computer. With Windows 10, it's pretty obvious not everything Microsoft does is good for consumers. I'd say that's the main issue. The other is that for my use, Windows has some serious problems. For example, I'd like to automate a lot of tedious stuff, but doing it is pretty difficult in Windows. In Linux, it's usually very easy if you have any idea about what you're doing. One example is updates, which are familiar to pretty much every computer user. In Windows, more often than not you have to restart the computer after updating the OS. In Linux, there's no need for it almost ever, and you don't even have to closer the programs you're currently using even if they're being updated! (Mind you, the update gets applied only after restarting the program, but still - no need to close the program while the update is being installed.) Considering the slowness of updating Windows, that alone can be a big thing.

Not to mention modularity.

GNOME 3 (my current desktop) allows me to pin any window I like to the top of the display stack.
So I can have a video or terminal open on top of a web browser, something I don't think you can do on Windows (and if you can you have to jump through a lot of hoops).
My video or terminal can be doing its thing whilst I click on / use my browser (or other app), this allows me a much greater degree of productivity, when working in my Linux environment.

Not to mention all the other neat power user stuff that you can only do on Linux and co.

Oh and installing software (when it is supported) is super easy.
On Debian and its permutations, all I need to do is type into the terminal:

#apt install mpv

To install my video player of choice,
No need to use a web browser, no (reasonable) need to worry about viruses.

And I understand I am replying to the wrong post, but, meh.

pleny of free apps provide the same pinning in windows or you can just snap/tile apps, no hoops or complexity. What other power stuff can you only do on linux? As a former linux instructor I can't think of any significant ones? The repositories are perhaps the only benefit, but that is so minimal that it hardly matters and even then all that can be done in powershell for most stuff anyway.



caffeinade said:

Most people don't have all that bad of an experience with consoles.

Really ? Did we just forget about the episode with X360 RROD, canned always online DRM with X1, Nintendo's previous online service, PSN hacking, paid online play, not to mention game patches and OS updates for consoles too ? 

caffeinade said:


But everyone has plenty of bad experiences with Windows.

I'm not surprised when Windows is installed with over hundreds of millions machines with thousands of different hardware/software configurations ... 

I'd say Windows copes the best out of the bunch when other platforms don't even offer as many hardware peripherals or software ... 

caffeinade said:


Consoles make you feel joy; Windows, just hate or satisfaction.

Most people don't hate Windows, if anything Linux or Mac is far more frustrating ... (consoles are closed and proprietary platforms that have their own problems too whether you like it or not) 

Nintendo partnering up with Nvidia doesn't help matters either when the most closed and locked down console manufacturer such as Nintendo only gets even more secrecy when Nvidia is supplying them and that's a huge blow to the emulation community since their open source drivers are full of bullshit which has almost no documentation about their hardware so emulating the Switch is a next to impossible task with Nvidia around ... 



Azzanation said:
What is the problem with Windows? Serious question here. Is it because people hate MS that much they want to boycott there OS?
Windows offers the best Steam and Xbox experience and when it comes to gaming and feature wise its 2nd to none.
Its also very efficient. Plus Windows supports Vulkan and DX12 something other Operating systems dont.

Windows had tons of problem in its first couple decades.  But, it has been pretty solid for the last few versions.  I think most of the hate is just left over from the (in computer terms) the distant past.  



fatslob-:O said:
caffeinade said:

Most people don't have all that bad of an experience with consoles.

Really ? Did we just forget about the episode with X360 RROD, canned always online DRM with X1, Nintendo's previous online service, PSN hacking, paid online play, not to mention game patches and OS updates for consoles too ? 

caffeinade said:


But everyone has plenty of bad experiences with Windows.

I'm not surprised when Windows is installed with over hundreds of millions machines with thousands of different hardware/software configurations ... 

I'd say Windows copes the best out of the bunch when other platforms don't even offer as many hardware peripherals or software ... 

caffeinade said:


Consoles make you feel joy; Windows, just hate or satisfaction.

Most people don't hate Windows, if anything Linux or Mac is far more frustrating ... (consoles are closed and proprietary platforms that have their own problems too whether you like it or not) 

Nintendo partnering up with Nvidia doesn't help matters either when the most closed and locked down console manufacturer such as Nintendo only gets even more secrecy when Nvidia is supplying them and that's a huge blow to the emulation community since their open source drivers are full of bullshit which has almost no documentation about their hardware so emulating the Switch is a next to impossible task with Nvidia around ... 

I am more talking about the overall perceived experience, not the actual one.
I enjoy my time spent interfacing with my computers, even when things go wrong.

Consoles are like sugar, they provide people with a sweetness so enjoyable that they tend to forgive things like the Red Ring of Death or Nintendo's online infrastructure.
In this analogy we can place the PSN hack and such as weight gain from consuming too many calories.
Annoying, but they more or less enjoyed themselves getting there.
There will always be the one or two cases where thing go too far though.

Windows is seen as more of an inevitability, something they Must interface with to progress with their life.
Most enjoyment is overshadowed by the crushing amount of poor experiences they apply to Windows, such as editing rich text documents or spreadsheets.
People have simply not spent enough time with Linux or Mac to build up any real resentment for them, the honeymoon stage I guess.

I do still resent the closed nature of consoles, and gaming general.
But SuperTuxKart is not going cut it for me.



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Windows will never be overthwown.

We have gon through this already.



So many Ubuntu versions exist. Many people don't know the difference and a lot of popular software is not made with Linux in mind. Gaming ecosystem has to improve a lot.



caffeinade said:


Windows is seen as more of an inevitability, something they Must interface with to progress with their life.
Most enjoyment is overshadowed by the crushing amount of poor experiences they apply to Windows, such as editing rich text documents or spreadsheets.
People have simply not spent enough time with Linux or Mac to build up any real resentment for them, the honeymoon stage I guess.

I do still resent the closed nature of consoles, and gaming general.
But SuperTuxKart is not going cut it for me.

Not really, Windows is preferred and highly one might add but  it's not the only way of life ... (the only reason why closed platforms/software persist so much in the commercial world is because they often come with a competitive advantage but the same is often not true for open platforms/software) 

Actually, lot's of people have spent time with Mac (it used to be competitive with WIndows in market share!) and most of the customers switched to Windows (AKA greener pastures for them) plus the current customers are less impressed with Mac than ever before compared to current WIndows customers ... 

Linux doesn't have the features and Mac doesn't get the support it nearly does ... 



VAMatt said:
Azzanation said:
What is the problem with Windows? Serious question here. Is it because people hate MS that much they want to boycott there OS?
Windows offers the best Steam and Xbox experience and when it comes to gaming and feature wise its 2nd to none.
Its also very efficient. Plus Windows supports Vulkan and DX12 something other Operating systems dont.

Windows had tons of problem in its first couple decades.  But, it has been pretty solid for the last few versions.  I think most of the hate is just left over from the (in computer terms) the distant past.  

I will agree its not a perfect OS, however we must accept its a good OS with some amazing benefits. 

The hate wagon needs to accept that its a good OS and unless you like Apple, Windows is the place to be. I honestly never understood why people hate good products. 

They will regret the day Windows is no longer ravalent.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Why do people even want Windows to be overthrown? I mean I get it's kind of a monopoly on computer OS's but honestly ... pretty much every issue with Windows 10 is completely overblown

Because one brand with an overwhelming marketshare means less options.

There are no games (and very limited amount of software in general) för Linux becuase Linux is to small. People don't want Linux because it there are no games and a definitive lack of professional software for it (AutoCAD is one example). It's a catch 22.

I myself privately have used Linux (but it was many years ago) and nowdays use a mac with macOS. My workcomputer is a Windows machine, because I have no choice since most of the software I need only comes for windows.

If the market was more evenly split (lets say 50 % Windows, 30 % Linux and 20 % macOS) there would probably be more software for the other systems. This in turn would mean that I could have my system of choice when working (a mac in my case).

 

Why I prefer Linux and macOS over windows (and I prefer macOS by a mile compared to Linux whitch I prefer over Windows)?

It's hard to explain, it's just how the OS operates and what an how it let's me do OS:y things, with this in mind I still prefer Linux over Windows even if you have a lot more fidgety things to do in it before it runs OK. But one big reason (which is kind of dumb but easy to quantify) is the Windows register.