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Sounds more like another Political Correctness gone mad story.

I enjoy in living color, that show could never come back due to the snowflake mentality today. No one knows how to laugh anymore, its all lets be the victim and I can act a fool.

People give too much power to words when they can just disappear if they are ignored, instead its magnified and inflamed by public agitators.



 

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DonFerrari said:
Chris Hu said:

Well true commuism is pretty much unopotainable.  The end goal of the Soviet Union was to eventually transform towards true commuism but it collapesed long before even comming close and in the end capitalism won.

First I see unopotainable and thought it was my lack of vocabulary, but the meaning seemed close to unobtainable, is that it?

But yes you are right that "real comunism" is unatainable, but even the though of "forcing everyone to be equal" is also wrong... but the phrase in itself is that it's wrong to forcibly take something from someone and give another just that everyone have the same.

Machiavellian said:

Yes, but is it news.  In other words, people get wrongful termination all the time.  Its up to the person who got fired to go through the process.  In some states, a company can fire you for anything, there needs be no reason.  This guy could have been easily setup and depending on the state it really doesn't matter.  The thing is, whether the company did a due process or not really depends on the state and the company policy within their employee handbook.  In the end, not sure if this is news or even new.

No it isn't new... but the comment and spin is valid... if someone complained in the school that a teacher was mocking the heritage of Red necks, KKK, Confederates and etc, the person would probably be told "to fuck off". But in this case just a miss report with ill intetions warranted a summary termination.

Yes companies doesn't need to give a reason in Brazil as well (but several cases this type of termination gets invalidated), but when you do give a reason and it seems like any type of prosecution than you may have an issue with the termination.

And even thought companies can fire without "reason" there is always a reason, unless the boss is completely obtuse no one fire an employee just for pleasure because that will have an impact on the business... so any inteligent firing have to weight pros and cons, impacts before decided.

Actually this is incorrect.  I can rememeber on a few occassions where callign someone redneck has caused people to get repremanded.  As for the other terms they are not considered in the same light.  In the end, you can be fired for any term that depicks another race or person in a negative hateful way, whether its white, black, hispanic etc.  Most places of business just do not want to deal with the legal issues such sitatuations places them in.  

You are right a company usually will have some reason but it can all be crap when it comes to terminate.  I have seen this before a lot and if you say live in Ohio its pretty easy to pretty much fire you for walking on the lawn if the company so chooes.  You cannot litigate or anything.

Like I said, this guy could have easily been setup.  College wanted him gone looked for a reason, found it whether it's true or not doesn't matter because if it's a right to work state, bye.



Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

First I see unopotainable and thought it was my lack of vocabulary, but the meaning seemed close to unobtainable, is that it?

But yes you are right that "real comunism" is unatainable, but even the though of "forcing everyone to be equal" is also wrong... but the phrase in itself is that it's wrong to forcibly take something from someone and give another just that everyone have the same.

No it isn't new... but the comment and spin is valid... if someone complained in the school that a teacher was mocking the heritage of Red necks, KKK, Confederates and etc, the person would probably be told "to fuck off". But in this case just a miss report with ill intetions warranted a summary termination.

Yes companies doesn't need to give a reason in Brazil as well (but several cases this type of termination gets invalidated), but when you do give a reason and it seems like any type of prosecution than you may have an issue with the termination.

And even thought companies can fire without "reason" there is always a reason, unless the boss is completely obtuse no one fire an employee just for pleasure because that will have an impact on the business... so any inteligent firing have to weight pros and cons, impacts before decided.

Actually this is incorrect.  I can rememeber on a few occassions where callign someone redneck has caused people to get repremanded.  As for the other terms they are not considered in the same light.  In the end, you can be fired for any term that depicks another race or person in a negative hateful way, whether its white, black, hispanic etc.  Most places of business just do not want to deal with the legal issues such sitatuations places them in.  

You are right a company usually will have some reason but it can all be crap when it comes to terminate.  I have seen this before a lot and if you say live in Ohio its pretty easy to pretty much fire you for walking on the lawn if the company so chooes.  You cannot litigate or anything.

Like I said, this guy could have easily been setup.  College wanted him gone looked for a reason, found it whether it's true or not doesn't matter because if it's a right to work state, bye.

Reprimended for one, expedite termination on the other, sure they are about the same thing. And the guy in case wasn't portraying any race or person negativelly, he was using an accent and offering a food joking with a good friend. The report was ill intended and the school took it without even caring. And I'm sure the other guy doing the british accent wouldn't get fired for being a racist.

Yes its their right to fire, but using BS excuses set them to have to pay almost 100k to avoid further issues.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Chris Hu said:
VGPolyglot said:

That's not what socialism is, that's social democracy/a welfare system.

Social Democracy  is a form of socialism and for the most part it works really well.  Again the top 10 in the yearly happies index is usually dominated by social democracies.

Happens that the top 10 countries are also very rich. Like Denmark, Canada, Norway, Sweden and Swiss. The latter isn't very social to anyone not from Switzerland though. Israel is on place 11 and the United Arabic Emirate on 14 and those are not social democracies. So I guess your country being rich is more important than it being a social democracy. Besides most North Western European countries don't belong to a single system. In the Netherlands usually a top 5 country by far the biggest party are  right wing conservatives (VVD) and the second biggest party are progressive liberals and the third party which is pretty much as big as the second is a Christian social democratic party as is the relative small fourth. So in total less than 33% of the government is social democratic and there are more conservative than progressive parties in our government at this moment.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Chris Hu said:

The goal of socialism isn't for everyone to be equal.  Most developed countries actually are practicing some forms of socialism.  Even in the US there is lots of socialism just not the right kind since most of it is corporate socialsm where huge corporations get huge tax breaks or get a subsidy for producing certain goods.  Also if you look at the yearly happines index the top 10 contries are usually the ones that have lots of socialism. 

the goal of socialism is to reduce inequality... which is the same thing as making people more equal...



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jason1637 said:
Mystro-Sama said:

I think context is very important. If you can't joke about things like these with friends then its no wonder race relations in the US is so shit right now.

Racism shouldnt be joked about. The guy is racist and you're probably racist for defending him.

"Racism shouldnt be joked about"

why not?



o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

The goal of socialism isn't for everyone to be equal.  Most developed countries actually are practicing some forms of socialism.  Even in the US there is lots of socialism just not the right kind since most of it is corporate socialsm where huge corporations get huge tax breaks or get a subsidy for producing certain goods.  Also if you look at the yearly happines index the top 10 contries are usually the ones that have lots of socialism. 

the goal of socialism is to reduce inequality... which is the same thing as making people more equal...

In that way the socialism was a runaway success on URSS, Cuba, Venezuela and China... the only one inequality is between party elite versus the rest, but all the rest is the same, no inequality on how much they are poor.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Jumpin said:
VGPolyglot said:
Well, I guess that answers my question: you are making this into a series. I guess this series is trying to make it seem as though those Marxists have somehow taken over society, right? Well, I guess this is something interest to discuss, but you and I come to very different conclusions. Vive le communisme et l'anarchisme !

Marxists?

Guy clearly just throws catchwords around without even knowing a thing about it (or probably mocks people who do).



DonFerrari said:
o_O.Q said:

the goal of socialism is to reduce inequality... which is the same thing as making people more equal...

In that way the socialism was a runaway success on URSS, Cuba, Venezuela and China... the only one inequality is between party elite versus the rest, but all the rest is the same, no inequality on how much they are poor.

well that's inevitable which is amusingly what most people who pander socialist and communist ideology don't get:

 

for there to be any system that reduces inequality there has to be people who design and implement that system, which ultimately leads to two classes: the rulers and the ruled

its why any attempt to put communism into place always fails to help the average person because the only practical way it can be done is with a large oppressive government suppressing everyone down to the same level

 

what any person with sense realises is that the best system would be one where everyone gets a fair shot at advancing as far as their potential allows while also helping those who have problems within reason

 

if you ask me communist ideology was developed by the elite as a way to trick stupid people into enriching the elite at the expense of everyone else



o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:

In that way the socialism was a runaway success on URSS, Cuba, Venezuela and China... the only one inequality is between party elite versus the rest, but all the rest is the same, no inequality on how much they are poor.

well that's inevitable which is amusingly what most people who pander socialist and communist ideology don't get:

 

for there to be any system that reduces inequality there has to be people who design and implement that system, which ultimately leads to two classes: the rulers and the ruled

its why any attempt to put communism into place always fails to help the average person because the only practical way it can be done is with a large oppressive government suppressing everyone down to the same level

 

what any person with sense realises is that the best system would be one where everyone gets a fair shot at advancing as far as their potential allows while also helping those who have problems within reason

 

if you ask me communist ideology was developed by the elite as a way to trick stupid people into enriching the elite at the expense of everyone else

I fully agree with you. So far free market capitalism is our best shoot.

And inequality isn't the problem, poverty is. I don't care if Bill Gates have Billions or Trump rules USA as long as I earn enough to have confort and pleasures. So not fearing to die of famine, disease, violence and also achieve some luxury is a lot better than everybody equally bad. USA have this, but left wing try to screw that.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."