Again, exclusive games are the most important aspect of what distinguishes each console from eachother because well... the point of consoles is to play video games. Desirable exclusive games are a major draw of gamers. Third party games help fill in the gaps between exclusives and they add further to a console's library but they are not the true draw to one particular console over another when they can play the same 3rd party games. The wii u's exclusive offerings sucked donkey balls and it sales reflected that. It's games and marketing were too focused on the smallest demographic of gamers. Having exclusives just for the sake of having them doesn't count for much with gamers. 

That last point of yours is just bonkers. How is "X1 games not being playable on PC AT ALL, is worse" when xbox fans can just play the games on the X1 and pc gamers won't touch the games on win 10 because they can't be modded? It defeats the point of the feature to consumers. 

Who really cares if X1 games are playable on win 10 or not. MS is only putting xbox exclusives on win 10 to draw more ppl to using windows store on win 10. It's in vain though because the consumers they're trying to convince are knowledgeable on this stuff. 

Well only if you think running the Xbox brand to the ground deserves praise. It feels like the Xbox brand is going deeper into obscurity, the Xbone S is losing against PS4 Slim every month in its home turf, and a $500 console without exclusives ain't gonna win against PS4 Pro.

Games sell consoles, the more the better. Games like Horizon, Persona 5, Nioh, Nier etc have all contributed to the 7M units sold in 5 months, year over year growth achievement of PS4. And the PS4 keeps on winning with yuuge exclusives like Crash Bandicoot.

The "power game" was only relevant at the early years of the gen, 1080p was a big deal back then after 7-8 years of (sub) 720p. Now people just care much more about games. MS has learned the wrong lessons of why the PS4 won. The thing about 4K is that it's too early, not too many people have 4K tvs, even if they did, the casual consumer doesnt give a shit about true 4K or dynamic 4k. The only way for MS to set itself apart is to have exclusives.

It's a shame what Phil Spencer has done because Xbox could've had a serious comeback against Sony by going early with a real Xbox 2.

Who started with paid online multiplayer games? And all the consumer were accepting it now all companies are doing it.... not praising ms for anything...

If exclusives are lost to its competitor than i will agree. However its not. PC isnt a competitor to Xbox. Its an alliance. Xbox is always the home to Halo, Forza and all of Xbox 1st party games. You can always garentee the next big Xbox IP will be on Xbox. There is no garentee they will be on PC. Where MS is smart is because there are PC gamers that dont buy consoles. Thats a huge market in itself.

Xbox no longer is a 1 off console lost in the ages. Its a eco system like Steam which will be around for ever.

Like i stated before. The Gaming community needs to accept that Win10/Xbox is the same thing. Xbox will always be Xbox. You cannot play Crackdown 3 on Nintendo or Sony platforms.

Also you still avoid the fact Halo 1 and 2 were available on PCs for a long time. How did that affect the Xbox brand? Hmm it didnt.

Microsoft cannot be compared to Sony in output. Microsoft scouted bungie for halo while in development and they funded gears to keep it exclusive for years.its only recently become their ip. This is why I say they cannot replace them. You have to have high calibur developers to do that. I would love for them to increase the size of the coalition and have them work on two projects at a time like naughty dog. The coalition has developers from proven studios in it (ontop of the gears devs). The coalition has the pedigree to be bigger than 343 as 343 is only tasked to maintain halo. That's the very thing bungie wouldn't do, ironically.

god of war isn't being rebooted btw... It's a continuation. Looks like kratos is passing the torch to his son. I would've loved to get a Deimos game but we can't always get what we want. I trust Sony santamonica though.

as for the new ip... since when has Sony ever given reason for people to question their ability to make them? We can debate the quality but not the potential. We still have to see what suckerpunch is doing too. Sonys list of successful ips are only growing and now have a unified expression that brings identity of what Sony wants to convey to the masses. They need to work on their co op experiences though. 

PC is a competitor to no one which is why they are never in the argument. PC is neutral ground. Thanks to valve and blizzard for keeping PC strong. I know I said this earlier but I stopped PC gaming when I was younger because of the Xbox. I was a couch co op and LAN party gamer when i was pretty young.

as for halo 1 and 2 being on PC, I never denied its validity. That would be attached to the part of my argument to Microsofts endgame which was always to fuse PC and consoles through paid online for live.Once  the Xbox came out PC became a non factor for me because I just preferred console gaming at that point and Microsoft gave me all the PC games I wanted on my couch. That's when I fell in love with bioware. I think their failed venture with windows live on PC put the brunt of the bill on console gamers though. The plan is still unfolding... I know it has little to do with games and more to do with being everything to everyone..

I said "most" not "perfect". The fact that consoles in their current form even exist is already a very shitty deal for consumers.

From the current console manufacturers in this generation MS is the most consumer friendly. Sony and Nintendo are as usual bottom tier. At least since they both adapted the paid online model.

It's good for us consumers. However, this is a sales site, so people try to evaluate stuff through a market perspective. Moneyhatting exclusive games or content and developing exclusive titles help the platform to sell.

Moneyhatting generates a bit of bad press, but this is overshadowed by the benefits. Developing exclusives won't result in any bad blood, since no one thinks that, let's say, Sony should expend money developing Uncharted for Xbox or MS should make a PS4 port of Halo.

I don't think that having games available on PC impacts the sales of X1. A decent gaming PC costs more than the X1X, while not giving you the same return. Let alone competing with the C/B of X1S. AAA PC gaming market is also smaller, so you aren't losing many sales here, specially when you factor in that most of these people want to play on PC anyways.

What is impacting X1 is that it has few noteworthy games that are not on PS4. This years specifically, PS4 got a lot of exclusives, both first and thirdy party, and they also happened to be the best reviewed titles of the year. So, people are seeing the PS4 library as basically a superset of the X1 one, which isn't good for the brand.

Nintendo Switch also added some salt to the wound. While it has way less titles than X1 (less 3rd party support), it got highly praised exclusives, so people started comparing exclusives. It also may impact the situation of people that buy multiple platforms. Right now, a PS4 + Switch combo is the one that results in more games for you to play.

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Interesting. Bottom tier.... this obviously does not explain nintnedo or sonys situation in internal output and reception this gen. So... consoles that traditionally excel in brand identity and exclusivity  in and of itself aren't consumer friendly ? 

As for adoption of the online model, it can only work on a closed platform, not an open one. PC gamers have more power because there is no true central hub even though valve is the primary representative.This is why it's not on PC. PC gamers spoke and Xbox gamers and micorsoft have  to foot the bill. I'd say thank Sony for turning Xbox lives venture which gave little back to a discounted game venture wheee you could amass a library just by paying for online. I'd like to also thank valve for creating notable sales so gamers could afford to amass a library and give the console manufacturers a model to follow. This is why competion is good. It keeps companies as honest as they can be in the name of taking your hard earned money.