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SuaveSocialist said:

The Second Amendment strikes again.

More like a violent oppressive worldview aka socialism strikes again. This guy was a Bernie supporter at his core and even volunteered on Sander's presidential campaign. Ironically, Bernie himself claims to be in favor of even greater gun control by closing the trade show loophole http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-gun-policy/. 

Also, if the terrorist attacks in the past year in Europe have taught us nothing else it is that you don't need a gun to kill people. Nice try.



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Aeolus451 said:
It was an attempt at a mass shooting of republican congressmen. The shooter is a progressive and a bernie supporter btw. He also hates trump. It was politically motivated. I"m not surprised in all honesty with all of the recent crap happening. The regressive left has been stoking the flames for a while with their divisive rhetoric.

Pot calling the kettle black?

You are literally creating an us vs them mentality by using divisive rethoric yourself. Maybe you should take your own advice and not be so divisive in your rethoric.



sc94597 said:
Ljink96 said:
Does this even classify as a mass shooting? I believe Rand Paul said if the police officer didn't shoot at the gunman, it would be a mass shooting...

Nope, he said: 

http://theweek.com/speedreads/705582/sen-rand-paul-capitol-police-hadnt-been-baseball-practice-have-been-massacre

Which means that there would've been nothing between them and Hodginkson to prevent Hodginkson from killing everyone there without the police. The agents were able to help everyone keep cover until the city and state police came and killed Hodginkson 

I heard it on the news earlier today as it was happening...word for word. Even if I heard it wrong it still isn't a mass shooting as 4 people weren't killed. Time to move on.

Actually...

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/14/sen-rand-paul-it-would-have-been-a-massacre-if-armed-capitol-police-hadnt-been-there/



Ljink96 said:
sc94597 said:

Nope, he said: 

http://theweek.com/speedreads/705582/sen-rand-paul-capitol-police-hadnt-been-baseball-practice-have-been-massacre

Which means that there would've been nothing between them and Hodginkson to prevent Hodginkson from killing everyone there without the police. The agents were able to help everyone keep cover until the city and state police came and killed Hodginkson 

I heard it on the news earlier today as it was happening...word for word. Even if I heard it wrong it still isn't a mass shooting as 4 people weren't killed. Time to move on.

Actually...

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/14/sen-rand-paul-it-would-have-been-a-massacre-if-armed-capitol-police-hadnt-been-there/

Below is the interview. He wasn't commenting about the arbitrary 'mass shooting' statistic. He was talking about what would've happened if the police weren't there. His verbatim phrase was "without them I think everyone would be killed."

But yes, even according to the arbitrary FBI statistic it wouldn't be classified as a "mass-shooting." 



Here is a vid that looks to be shot from a cell phone of the shooting. You don't see anyone getting shot, but the Republican who got shot can be seen in the distance lying on the field. You can also see the area in which the shooter was shooting from.

The person who is filming here is there for about 5 minutes and is part of most of the event. There are a lot of gunshots going off.



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Teeqoz said:
Aeolus451 said:
It was an attempt at a mass shooting of republican congressmen. The shooter is a progressive and a bernie supporter btw. He also hates trump. It was politically motivated. I"m not surprised in all honesty with all of the recent crap happening. The regressive left has been stoking the flames for a while with their divisive rhetoric.

Pot calling the kettle black?

Nope. Which side keeps trying to dehumanize people they disagree by calling them nazis, racists, etc so it's easier to justify violence towards them? Seriously... which side think it's a joke to hold up the severed fake head of a president? Which side keeps trying to censor the other side or shut down their events? What do you think of ANTIFA trying to bash in skulls at trump rallies? Which side is trying to push the false narrative that the president isn't a legiment president because the russians interferred with the election?

What to see some reactions from the left on this particular event?

 

A writer from huffington post.



The_Yoda said:
How did a guy from Illinois get a gun at all they have very strict gun laws in that state?

I know, weird right?  It's almost as if criminals don't bother to follow the laws or something lol.

Actually, believe it or not this guy had a permit and did not have any criminal history in his background, so no law on the books or proposed would've stopped him from legally purchasing a gun, so the whole "we need universal background checks!" argument goes out the window, because this guy would've been able to buy a gun pretty much anywhere legally.

Same as the Orlando shooter last year, who despite being flagged by the FBI on multiple occasions still was able to legally purchase a fire arm because he had the proper permits and no criminal history (yet).



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DarthVolod said:
SuaveSocialist said:

The Second Amendment strikes again.

More like a violent oppressive worldview aka socialism strikes again. 

Sorry, but the NRA isn't a socialist institution, and they are proponents of the Second Amendment being a citizen's Constitutional right (nay, patriotic duty) to overthrow a corrupt government.  

What you have here is a man who recognized a corrupt government and shot an accomplice to that corruption.  He did exactly as Republicans proudly say they'd do.


There's no other way to say it: the Second Amendment strikes again.  Perhaps if West Koreahad sane firearms regulations, there wouldn't be a mass shooting almost every day.  Perhaps mentally disturbed persons such as this man would have been denied possession of his murder hose.  But hey, you can blame it on Socialism if you want.



Aeolus451 said:
Teeqoz said:

Pot calling the kettle black?

Nope. Which side keeps trying to dehumanize people they disagree by calling them nazis, racists, etc so it's easier to justify violence towards them? Seriously... which side think it's a joke to hold up the severed fake head of a president? Which side keeps trying to censor the other side or shut down their events? What do you think of ANTIFA trying to bash in skulls at trump rallies? Which side is trying to push the false narrative that the president isn't a legiment president because the russians interferred with the election?

What to see some reactions from the left on this particular event?

 

A writer from huffington post.

You are misunderstanding what I said. I never claimed that there weren't factions within left wing (primarily US) politics that uses divisive and even hateful rethoric. There certainly is. I'm just saying you too are using divisive rethoric, and that it's hypocritical of you to call it out while doing the very same thing yourself. Even your reply here is filled with divisive rethoric. I mean, you are literally talking about "which sides" are doing what. But go on blaming "the other side" for any and all problems, while at the same time engaging in that problematic behaviour you are complaining about. Just don't be surprised when people call out your hypocrisy.



SuaveSocialist said:
DarthVolod said:

More like a violent oppressive worldview aka socialism strikes again. 

Sorry, but the NRA isn't a socialist institution, and they are proponents of the Second Amendment being a citizen's Constitutional right (nay, patriotic duty) to overthrow a corrupt government.  

What you have here is a man who recognized a corrupt government and shot an accomplice to that corruption.  He did exactly as Republicans proudly say they'd do.


There's no other way to say it: the Second Amendment strikes again.  Perhaps if the US had sane firearms regulations, there wouldn't be a mass shooting almost every day.  Perhaps mentally disturbed persons such as this man would have been denied possession of his murder hose.  

Perhaps, one day you'll be a real socialist too. But let's not count on it. If you're happy with only the haute-bourgeoisie and upper classes have access to guns, then I don't know what to say.