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sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Sorry, but the NRA isn't a socialist institution, and they are proponents of the Second Amendment being a citizen's Constitutional right (nay, patriotic duty) to overthrow a corrupt government.  

What you have here is a man who recognized a corrupt government and shot an accomplice to that corruption.  He did exactly as Republicans proudly say they'd do.


There's no other way to say it: the Second Amendment strikes again.  Perhaps if West Korea had sane firearms regulations, there wouldn't be a mass shooting almost every day.  Perhaps mentally disturbed persons such as this man would have been denied possession of his murder hose.  

Perhaps, one day you'll be a True Scotsman, too. But let's not count on it. 

I look forward to being a True Scotsman.  If only I knew how to stop being one that is No True Scotsman.



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SuaveSocialist said:
sc94597 said:

Perhaps, one day you'll be a True Scotsman, too. But let's not count on it. 

I look forward to being a True Scotsman.

The common man deserves access to the means of defense, but please defend how one can be a socialist but think an entire class of people should be deprived of their rights.



sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

I look forward to being a True Scotsman.

The common man deserves access to the means of defense, but please defend how one can be a socialist but think an entire class of people should be deprived of their rights.

Advocating better and stricter gun regulation doesn't mean you deny gun ownership to an entire class of people...



sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

I look forward to being a True Scotsman.

The common man deserves access to the means of defense, but please defend how one can be a socialist but think an entire class of people should be deprived of their rights.

Isn't that pretty much the text book definition of socialism? lol.  Just check out what's going on in the socialist utopia of Venezuela today for more proof of how socialism always ends.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Teeqoz said:
sc94597 said:

The common man deserves access to the means of defense, but please defend how one can be a socialist but think an entire class of people should be deprived of their rights.

Advocating better and stricter gun regulation doesn't mean you deny gun ownership to an entire class of people...

When you are advocating for barriers to be raised that reduce the availability of weapons to the poor, yet the state and privileged classes still have access to weapons, then yes -- it does exactly that. 

You don't see celebrities and politicians worried about gun control because they have private (or taxpayer funded) security services. Likewise for the upper-middle class who can afford these barriers of entry. 



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NightDragon83 said:
sc94597 said:

The common man deserves access to the means of defense, but please defend how one can be a socialist but think an entire class of people should be deprived of their rights.

Isn't that pretty much the text book definition of socialism? lol.  Just check out what's going on in the socialist utopia of Venezuela today for more proof of how socialism always ends.

Nope, that is just what tankies think the definition of socialism is with their delusions of "dictatorship of the proleteritat" which is really just a "dictatorship of the bureaucrat". See the George Orwell quote I provided: 

And remember that George Orwell wrote 1984 and Animal Farm, both pretty damning critiques of state socialism. 



sc94597 said:
Teeqoz said:

Advocating better and stricter gun regulation doesn't mean you deny gun ownership to an entire class of people...

When you are advocating for barriers to be raised that reduce the availability of weapons to the poor, yet the state and privileged classes still have access to weapons, then yes -- it does exactly that. 

You don't see celebrities and politicians worried about gun control because they have private (or taxpayer funded) security services. Likewise for the upper-middle class who can afford these barriers of entry. 

I didn't know gun-regulations had to be based on income instead of, say, mental health and such...



Teeqoz said:
sc94597 said:

The common man deserves access to the means of defense, but please defend how one can be a socialist but think an entire class of people should be deprived of their rights.

Advocating better and stricter gun regulation doesn't mean you deny gun ownership to an entire class of people...

Please do explain how "better and stricter gun regulation" (whatever that means) would have prevented today's shooting WITHOUT stripping or curtailing others of their rights to own guns in any capacity?

This guy was already legally licensed to own firearms in the state of Illinois despite his checkered history, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.  What additional law or laws would have prevented him from obtaining a gun?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

I look forward to being a True Scotsman.

The common man deserves access to the means of defense, but please defend how one can be a True Scotsman but think an entire class of people should be deprived of their rights.

Do indicate which Article in the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights is an equivalent to the Second Amendment and then I will openly acknowledge that the Second Amendment is, in fact, a human right.  I'm not seeing one anywhere.  It's like the world has achieved a consensus on the matter and yet still has found ways for the common man to be able to lawfully defend himself.  I guess the Second Amendment isn't a human right, after all.  It's more of a...hmmm...a worthy hypothesis, albeit one disproven by reality.

Why, there are even dozens of countries without such an equivalent in their founding principles and somehow they are doing just fine.  Such as West Korea's Canadian neighbors; they don't even need a giant moat to pull it off like England, Japan and Australia.  The largest undefended border in the world and still managed to grant The People their human rights while avoiding a murder hose infestation.

As you can see, Scotsmen such as I--True or No--are not defending or advocating the deprivation of rights at all.  We are, however, calling out a refuted hypothesis for the debunked hyperbole that it is.  Oh, and criticizing it accordingly.



Teeqoz said:
sc94597 said:

When you are advocating for barriers to be raised that reduce the availability of weapons to the poor, yet the state and privileged classes still have access to weapons, then yes -- it does exactly that. 

You don't see celebrities and politicians worried about gun control because they have private (or taxpayer funded) security services. Likewise for the upper-middle class who can afford these barriers of entry. 

I didn't know gun-regulations had to be based on income instead of, say, mental health and such...

Gun regulations are already based on mental health in the United States. If you were involuntary institutionalized then you no longer are able to legally own a gun, unless you get a judge to sign off on it. The laws proposed in the United States are intended to limit their distribution amongst people who are deemed undesirable. The long history of gun control in the United States has its roots in racism ("black people shouldn't be able to defend themselves against the KKK, lets enact gun control"), and classism ("that poor redneck *isn't intelligent to own a gun, I don't trust him. ") 

*Note redneck originated as a class label of farmers, and then spread to the American proleteriat after the industrial revolution. It is very much a class-oriented term.