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Azuren said:
sc94597 said:

Honestly, I am not goint to argue in circles. You are the outlier here. Most real Monster Hunter fans who have actually invested their time and energy into the series are with me on this. There are thousands of comments saying the same things I am. 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1390406

Yeah, no, these aren't real MH fans, they're people who have invested in Nintendo for Monster Hunter and are rightfully upset that it's moving away from it again. The same thing happened when it moved from PSP to 3DS, but I wouldn't expect someone who's not a real fan to know that.

I am not going to argue with somebody who attempts to mind-read, even after I explained what my point was, that never goes anywhere.

Don't get mad just because I proved you wrong with a single picture. Just say "Oh, haha, yeah." That's all it takes.

A year from now, when the game sells less than half what a main series Monster Hunter game does, you will know why, because fans of Monster Hunter don't want open-world Action-game #1000 (w Monster Hunter skin.) 

And what are you going to do if it's actually a wild success? They kind of put a lot of emphasis on it, and there is a rather large fanbase of fans who have been waiting for MH to return to PlayStation.

Monster Hunter Tri's problem wasn't its atmosphere, it was its lack of content. Almost everyone was hyped for the game before it released. The only people who are hyped for this game are people who aren't fans of the series for the sole reason of graphics. 

Monster Hunter Tri had quite a number of problems. It's almost like you didn't even play it.

I've been quite vocal on this forum about how I think the Monster Hunter series has stagnated, but the solution isn't to change the game into something it is not to appeal to Western audiences. 

"The series is stagnating. Don't change it."

Someone hire this guy on at Capcom. He's going places.

All of them? Because Neogaf is a bastion of Nintendo fans, right? Please. Most people commented nothing about the console, and likely first started playing the series on PSP, like me. 

"Don't get mad just because I proved you wrong with a single picture. Just say "Oh, haha, yeah." That's all it takes."

You're the one who didn't address my point. Instead you deflected by pretending you think you knew my point, rather than admit that it went over your head.  

"And what are you going to do if it's actually a wild success? They kind of put a lot of emphasis on it, and there is a rather large fanbase of fans who have been waiting for MH to return to PlayStation"

Do you think this game will go over well in Japan (where the bulk of Monster Hunter's sales come from?) If it succeeds and is a genuinely good game, all the better. I don't think it is likely from what we've seen and know so far, as well as knowing what previous console Monster Hunter titles have sold. We can make a bet if you want. 

"Monster Hunter Tri had quite a number of problems. It's almost like you didn't even play it."

Mhmn, name them, and give me specifics. Like I said, it was mostly the content (fewer weapons and monsters) besides the portability, which made the Wii version less appealing than others for many people. 

My posts from 2010

The VGC Official Monster Hunter Tri Thread  

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3355673

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3356258

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3365222

Hope that is enough evidence that I played the game.  

""The series is stagnating. Don't change it.""


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy



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Azuren said:
sc94597 said:

 

Are you insinuating that making the Heavy Bowgun viable for single player is a bad thing?

Are you also insinuating that every monster in the game will be a Brute Wyvern?

If you noticed the Jaggies in the top pic still have a sweet spot to hit, and the character is just shooting randomly at it. A bow-gun user would aim for the head, but this machine bow-gun user seems to be doing quite alright just shooting at it and keeping it at bay. 



Azuren said:
Not sure if anyone posted, but they updated on how it's different from "normal" MH.

Apparently the whole world is open and seamless, and players drop in and out of multiplayer with no need to go through that stupid tavern horseshit. "It's a spin off" my ass- this is how MH should be from now on.

I like the small well built maps of previous MH games though. What else could this series gain in gameplay from the more powerful platforms? IMO MH series was good for the same reasons Atlus titles are good. It was a AA series that focused more on gameplay and less on graphics. What if Capcom goes through a 30 million dollar budget for this, and doesn't see a return on their investment? 



Finally after all the years we finally will have a true Monster Hunter game which won't be hold back by Nintendo's weak consoles.

Trailer looks good!



sc94597 said:
Azuren said:

All of them? Because Neogaf is a bastion of Nintendo fans, right? Please. Most people commented nothing about the console, and likely first started playing the series on PSP, like me. 

"Don't get mad just because I proved you wrong with a single picture. Just say "Oh, haha, yeah." That's all it takes."

You're the one who didn't address my point. Instead you deflected by pretending you think you knew my point, rather than admit that it went over your head.  

"And what are you going to do if it's actually a wild success? They kind of put a lot of emphasis on it, and there is a rather large fanbase of fans who have been waiting for MH to return to PlayStation"

Do you think this game will go over well in Japan (where the bulk of Monster Hunter's sales come from?) If it succeeds and is a genuinely good game, all the better. I don't think it is likely from what we've seen and know so far, as well as knowing what previous console Monster Hunter titles have sold. We can make a bet if you want. 

"Monster Hunter Tri had quite a number of problems. It's almost like you didn't even play it."

Mhmn, name them, and give me specifics. Like I said, it was mostly the content (fewer weapons and monsters) besides the portability, which made the Wii version less appealing than others for many people. 

My posts from 2010

The VGC Official Monster Hunter Tri Thread  

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3355673

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3356258

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3365222

Hope that is enough evidence that I played the game.  

""The series is stagnating. Don't change it.""


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy

Neogaf is full of halfwits and fucktards. It's like referring to the opinions of the homeless on the Large Hadron Collider. Utterly useless.

 

No, you're the one that got upset and pretended to imply a different meaning than what was clearly stated.

 

Holy. Fucking. Hell. Until you address the fact that Capcom is CLEARLY TRYING TO SELL THIS WORLDWIDE, as if the worldwide simultaneous release and Xbox availability wasn't enough of a hint, I'm not discussing sales with you. Get a clue: Capcom wants this to be a Western titles, too.

 

Swimming combat. Swimming movement. Spotty Wii online services. Shitty controls (unless you buy the real controller for the game, in which case it's extra expensive). Ditched a number of weapons. Introduced a monster type whose entire appeal is underwater combat (meaning future installments that include it will include only half the creature, since swimming was hated). Several uninspired rip-offs of older, more interesting monsters. Should I go on?

 

Congratulations, you played through a game, completely missed the appeal, and managed to not get a read on the atmosphere at all. That's actually impressive.

 

You complain that it's stagnating, then complain about change you don't like. How about instead of complaining and whining, you give a suggestion? Oh wait, you can't accurately do that since you don't have enough solid information on the gameplay to make any kind of statement to begin with . Don't come in here with your false dichotomy bullshit when all you want to do is whine and complain.



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sc94597 said:
Azuren said:

Are you insinuating that making the Heavy Bowgun viable for single player is a bad thing?

Are you also insinuating that every monster in the game will be a Brute Wyvern?

If you noticed the Jaggies in the top pic still have a sweet spot to hit, and the character is just shooting randomly at it. A bow-gun user would aim for the head, but this machine bow-gun user seems to be doing quite alright just shooting at it and keeping it at bay. 

You'll also notice that it's not really phasing the Brute Wyvern at all. It's almost like they're using the trailer just to show off new gameplay rather than actually hunt. Or were you too busy not liking a game you've seen five minutes of to notice that?



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sc94597 said:
Azuren said:

All of them? Because Neogaf is a bastion of Nintendo fans, right? Please. Most people commented nothing about the console, and likely first started playing the series on PSP, like me. 

"Don't get mad just because I proved you wrong with a single picture. Just say "Oh, haha, yeah." That's all it takes."

You're the one who didn't address my point. Instead you deflected by pretending you think you knew my point, rather than admit that it went over your head.  

"And what are you going to do if it's actually a wild success? They kind of put a lot of emphasis on it, and there is a rather large fanbase of fans who have been waiting for MH to return to PlayStation"

Do you think this game will go over well in Japan (where the bulk of Monster Hunter's sales come from?) If it succeeds and is a genuinely good game, all the better. I don't think it is likely from what we've seen and know so far, as well as knowing what previous console Monster Hunter titles have sold. We can make a bet if you want. 

"Monster Hunter Tri had quite a number of problems. It's almost like you didn't even play it."

Mhmn, name them, and give me specifics. Like I said, it was mostly the content (fewer weapons and monsters) besides the portability, which made the Wii version less appealing than others for many people. 

My posts from 2010

The VGC Official Monster Hunter Tri Thread  

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3355673

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3356258

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3365222

Hope that is enough evidence that I played the game.  

""The series is stagnating. Don't change it.""


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy

You forgot to close the bold in the second to last line in this reply. I did it in this quote, but you should do it in your original post, because it's making all replies be bold here



Azuren said:
Jranation said:

But the Switch is both though............ 

Let's be real:

 

It's a handheld that can dock on your TV.

Let's be real

No



Azuren said:

 

The internet is full of "halfwits and fucktards", but "halfwits and fucktards" buy games. If you irritate a dedicated fanbase that is risky. Most people commenting weren't salty because it's not on Switch, they were salty because they expected so much more from an 8th generation Monster Hunter game. 

"No, you're the one that got upset and pretended to imply a different meaning than what was clearly stated."

Please enlighten me about what I meant. The point I made was that better graphics and changes in gameplay mechanics does not lead the future of a game series. Pokemon Sapphire vs. Colloseum was the perfect example of this. Your theory that I was talking about graphics is silly and makes no logical sense in the overraching conversation we were having. 

"Swimming combat. Swimming movement. Spotty Wii online services. Shitty controls (unless you buy the real controller for the game, in which case it's extra expensive). Ditched a number of weapons. Introduced a monster type whose entire appeal is underwater combat (meaning future installments that include it will include only half the creature, since swimming was hated). Several uninspired rip-offs of older, more interesting monsters. Should I go on?"

None of these except the last have anything to do with atmosphere, and everything to do with content. This supports my point that it was the content which made the Wii version disliked, not its atmosphere. 

"Holy. Fucking. Hell. Until you address the fact that Capcom is CLEARLY TRYING TO SELL THIS WORLDWIDE, as if the worldwide simultaneous release and Xbox availability wasn't enough of a hint, I'm not discussing sales with you. Get a clue: Capcom wants this to be a Western titles, too."

Sure, but they have more to lose than they have to gain, unless this game is spectactular. It is competing directly with much better open-world RPG's now. Hence, why the traditional Monster Hunter formula is not going to die. The spin-off series is something unto itself. If it is good, then good, but I doubt it will reach the sales of the traditional series. 

"Congratulations, you played through a game and completely missed the appeal and managed to not get a read on the atmosphere. That's actually impressive."

I didn't miss the atmosphere at all. The point of the game is to kill interesting monsters (with friends) -- monsters that have interesting personalities and awe surrounding them, and then finding better ways of doing it. I saw none of this in Monster Hunter Worlds trailer. I saw no towns, no sand ships, no Felyne, no other characters. The monsters are not interesting, the combat is dumbed-down, and the emphasis is instead on the interaction with the environments, which while pretty -- was never Monster Hunter's strong point, and isn't what people come back for. 

You complain that it's stagnating, then complain about change you don't like. How about instead of complaining and whining, you give a suggestion? Oh wait, you can't accurately do that since you don't have enough solid information on the gameplay to make any kind of statement to begin with . Don't come in here with your false dichotomy bullshit when all you want to do is whine and complain.

There are plenty of ways to make the monster hunter formulae feel new and refreshing without ditching the formula entirely. Almost all of the changes in this game are for the worse, they dumb-down the content to make it palpable for the gamers who can't stand difficult games, and only like to see pretty pictures. I wanted more intricate systems, more strategy, more variety in locales, better visuals with a good art-style that feels like Monster Hunter, more expansive zones, and more variety in quests. I didn't want them to bomb what was a good thing and then give use a generic open-world title. Nope. 





If you think that a mainline MH is not coming to the portable device that is gonna dominate Japan for the next 5 years or so, you're out of touch with reality.