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Forums - Politics - US launches missiles at Syrian Base following chemical attack

Goatseye said:
crissindahouse said:

It's astonishing how he always does what he criticized before he was president.

If it's this attack now, if it's playing golf all the time, wasting tax-payers money for stupid reasons, to have own family members and multi-millionaires in his team an dso on...

Not stupid. 

General Mattis just made General Dynamics (He used to be on the board of directors) $70,000,000 - $100,000,000 overnight with Tomahawk missiles launches, which didn't even destroy the whole base.

Oil price is up and Russia will have a break from burdening sanctions imposed by previous administartion. 

Ok, perfect reason

But I rather meant all his protected unnecessary flights to his properties, the secret service protecting his wife in NY and so on...



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LadyJasmine said:

Well I dont agree with getting involved but unlike Obama he is atleast doing something in Syria then making made up redlines. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

Why does everyone seem to ignore that this happened? Know who blocked it? The REPUBLICAN congress. Really, a lot of progress and reform that Obama was trying to pass was blocked by those morons, now Trump does something which is probably a lot more stupid than it is in any way helpful, and people think that he's at least doing something while Obama stood idle. NOT THE CASE, he was just blocked at every move he tried to make.

The US is not the damn world police. We should be worrying aobut what is happening HERE, and protecting HERE. Syria gassed people and we get involved in that. 100 died (approx.) and that's horrible. But guess what? They have concentration camps in N. Korea, Russia just kills anyone who opposes Putin, there are more messsed up things happening than this. Should we get involved in those too? These are conflicts between the people of these countries that we should have never stepped foot in, yet because of Bush wanting to jump into war everywhere, here we are. Kim Jong Un literally probably kills 100 people before breakfast every day.

US needs to just step back, and fix its own issues, and then MAYBE worry a little bit more about the rest of the world. This strike does not end things, this is going to cause retaliation. Assad is crazy, AND the strike didn't even hit the facility carrying the gas! So it's still intact! He's probably just going to use more of it, he's not going to stop killing. And now his target may become the United States, we should be worried, not ecstatic



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Lafiel said:
Goatseye said:

What is a globalist?

sounds like the antagonists of flat-earthers

Well, there are multiple different versions of globalists I guess. There's the free-market capitalists that prefer neoliberal, free trade policies, which is what Obama was and Justin Trudeau is. However, I guess I could be considered a globalist in a certain sense if those that support a worldwide socialist revolution and the elimination of borders counts as globalism, which I'm not sure.



VGPolyglot said:

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Lafiel said:

sounds like the antagonists of flat-earthers

Well, there are multiple different versions of globalists I guess. There's the free-market capitalists that prefer neoliberal, free trade policies, which is what Obama was and Justin Trudeau is. However, I guess I could be considered a globalist in a certain sense if those that support a worldwide socialist revolution and the elimination of borders counts as globalism, which I'm not sure.

That's called being a useful tool hungry for mass worldwide genocide, so not really a globalist per se.



Valdath said:
VGPolyglot said:

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Well, there are multiple different versions of globalists I guess. There's the free-market capitalists that prefer neoliberal, free trade policies, which is what Obama was and Justin Trudeau is. However, I guess I could be considered a globalist in a certain sense if those that support a worldwide socialist revolution and the elimination of borders counts as globalism, which I'm not sure.

That's called being a useful tool hungry for mass worldwide genocide, so not really a globalist per se.

What about Trump which is a tool for the Kushners, Mercer, Koch, Putin, China?



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Valdath said:
VGPolyglot said:

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Well, there are multiple different versions of globalists I guess. There's the free-market capitalists that prefer neoliberal, free trade policies, which is what Obama was and Justin Trudeau is. However, I guess I could be considered a globalist in a certain sense if those that support a worldwide socialist revolution and the elimination of borders counts as globalism, which I'm not sure.

That's called being a useful tool hungry for mass worldwide genocide, so not really a globalist per se.

Ahh yes, because wanting a society where we are cooperative and try to help each other instead of a competitive one where there's obscenely rich people with billions that they'll never spend while there's millions who starve to death is promoting worldwide genocide.



VGPolyglot said:
Valdath said:

That's called being a useful tool hungry for mass worldwide genocide, so not really a globalist per se.

Ahh yes, because wanting a society where were are cooperative and try to help each other instead of a competitive one where there's obscenely rich people with billions that they'll never spend while there's millions who starve to death is promoting worldwide genocide.

I get the socialist sentiment, i don't agree with it but on the surface it's a noble cause.

 

But how do you expect the world to embrace it when the majority of people want nothing to do with it? authoritarianism seems like the only way to implement it.

Unless of course you want a peaceful transition.



Valdath said:
VGPolyglot said:

Ahh yes, because wanting a society where were are cooperative and try to help each other instead of a competitive one where there's obscenely rich people with billions that they'll never spend while there's millions who starve to death is promoting worldwide genocide.

I get the socialist sentiment, i don't agree with it but on the surface it's a noble cause.

 

But how do you expect the world to embrace it when the majority of people want nothing to do with it? authoritarianism seems like the only way to implement it.

Unless of course you want a peaceful transition.

Of course the majority of people want nothing to do with it, that's what happens when centuries of propaganda by  the elite tell their rcitizens that it's a bad thing. The only way that it could work is with a worldwide revolution, because if it isn't it's either going to be attacked and defeated by hostile enemies, or it's going to become authoritarian and repressive as a way to maintain power.



I still find the chemical weapons story strange seeing as the Syrian government and Russia are on the front foot and using chemical weapons has no real advantage for them especially as it is a red line for Western countries.

The whole problem with the Syrian situation is how either side portray the events without any layers. All sides are doing bad things and a lot of countries are involved in blood. And seeing how US handled Mosul almost the same script as how Russia/Syrian government handled Aleppo, Syria has become a warzone of hypocrisy between all sides. Shame as the people who suffer the most are those not involved in the conflict.

In any case, this is a warning sign for things to come. I hope it's just a one off strike for the sake of the region.



Miguel_Zorro said:
Valdath said:

Looks like Trump was controlled opposition after all, just another neocon.

 

Very disappointing.

 

Trump is a lot of things, but I don't believe that he's a neocon.  His political stances are too all over the place to put him in that box.

Trump is just a tool for the cabinet and a distraction for the nation. Maybe he didn't intend to be that but certainly that's how he is being used.