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Forums - Politics Discussion - Berlin to Donald Trump: 'Don't build this wall

 

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For the wall 91 37.92%
 
Against the Wall 149 62.08%
 
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JRPGfan on 28 January 2017
Ljink96 said:
The circumstances under which each wall was/is being built is kind of different. That being said, all you're doing by building a 55 foot tall wall, is making a new market for 55+ ft. ladders. It's quite the waste of American funding. No matter what Trump says, America is going to pay something to build that damn thing.

Not something, all of it.

That tax that trump puts on import goods, who pays that price? the avg american that buys fruits/mexican goods/flat screen tv... ect made in mexico.

It just means things will get more expensive for americans.
It doesnt mean americans will stop buying fruit, or useing tv's.



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JRPGfan on 28 January 2017
vivster said:
Machina said:

Germany has no right to lecture others on how to run their affairs, especially given the catastrophic fuck up Merkel made in unilaterally inviting a whole continent to decamp and make for Germany (and inevitably other nations in Europe, without consultation).

Nation states, especially when they border significantly poorer countries, need borders. It's a lesson the EU is failing to learn in a rather staggering act of hubris. It's going to cost it dearly. The comparison with the Berlin wall, which divided a single country after a World War and in advance of a Cold War between super-powers, is specious.

A country so caught up in dangerous levels of racism and nationalism shouldn't lecture other countries on hubris.

Germany is like : "we once had a guy like trump..... didnt go so well for us"

 



Poojipoo on 28 January 2017

Not saying border control isn't important, but half the illegal immigrants in this country got here on planes and just over stayed their visas, so a wall's not gonna do shit. The money's better spent elsewhere.

There's also no point in deporting people indiscriminately. The Obama administration deported more than any other administration before it, but was (eventually) good about cherry picking based on the individual's history. And that's what we really want, yeah? Kick out the bad ones, keep the good? There's no good reason for kicking out hard working people. If anything, we should be granting them citizenship and start taxing their income. Imagine adding up to 11 million taxable incomes all at once. Billions of dollars per year! Heck, enough to build a giant pointless wall!



Locknuts on 28 January 2017
vivster said:
Machina said:

Germany has no right to lecture others on how to run their affairs, especially given the catastrophic fuck up Merkel made in unilaterally inviting a whole continent to decamp and make for Germany (and inevitably other nations in Europe, without consultation).

Nation states, especially when they border significantly poorer countries, need borders. It's a lesson the EU is failing to learn in a rather staggering act of hubris. It's going to cost it dearly. The comparison with the Berlin wall, which divided a single country after a World War and in advance of a Cold War between super-powers, is specious.

A country so caught up in dangerous levels of racism and nationalism shouldn't lecture other countries on hubris.

Wait, which is the racist, nationalist country?



weaveworld on 28 January 2017
Machina said:

Germany has no right to lecture others on how to run their affairs, especially given the catastrophic fuck up Merkel made in unilaterally inviting a whole continent to decamp and make for Germany (and inevitably other nations in Europe, without consultation).

Nation states, especially when they border significantly poorer countries, need borders. It's a lesson the EU is failing to learn in a rather staggering act of hubris. It's going to cost it dearly. The comparison with the Berlin wall, which divided a single country after a World War and in advance of a Cold War between super-powers, is specious.

Are you this close-minded Machina?

Turning a statement from a mere Mayor of a city with the experience of dividing people by a wall into something Germany says?



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weaveworld on 28 January 2017

Politics 101. Rule by fear or hatred.

Now let's all focus on those damn Mexicans because if we keep on telling our good and backward citizens we need to blame the black people for everything that is wrong, well, we know where that is gonna go. So now you have a common enemy and the cop/citizen killing/hatred can focus on Mexicans. Until they run out or start to get the upper hand of support in (in)ternational media.
But then we will turn the heat onto Muslims again.
Meanwhile, the economy is crashing, poverty will rise and hatred towards eachother as well.
God bless America.



the_dark_lewd on 28 January 2017

It wasn't the wall in germany that caused the suffering you moron, it was the fact that one side of it was subjected to a totalitarian regime that bankrupted them.

If there was a wall today between germany and france, that allowed legal migration through it, it would cause very little problems. Except for the cost.



the_dark_lewd on 28 January 2017
weaveworld said:
Politics 101. Rule by fear or hatred.

Now let's all focus on those damn Mexicans because if we keep on telling our good and backward citizens we need to blame the black people for everything that is wrong, well, we know where that is gonna go. So now you have a common enemy and the cop/citizen killing/hatred can focus on Mexicans. 

Except they're not blaming Mexicans are they? They're blaming illegal immigrants. The millions of legal hispanic immigrants, they have no problem with.

How did we get to the ridiculous point where being against illegal things is bad in some people's eyes?



KingofTrolls on 28 January 2017
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

Edit:  For the record, while "the wall" is a good idea in theory, 

It is ?

There is a lot of walls in Europe to deter immingrants and they works.



konnichiwa on 28 January 2017
NightDragon83 said:

Says the guy who's country is currently being overrun by economic migrants from every 3rd world nation in the Mideast and northern Africa.

Edit:  For the record, while "the wall" is a good idea in theory, in reality I'm not in favor of it because I know it's going to end up costing way more than estimated (as most government run projects do, especially in the construction biz), and our resources are much better spent on increasing the border patrol and enforcing existing immigration laws.

A bit hyperbole no? With those 'million' of immigrants people expected horrible things especially economic wise, and Germany is one of the countriest with one of the lowest unemployment numbers and even every year see their debt schrinking (some on vgchartz were not born when the last time the debt shrinked in the usa).

 

Honestly economic wise I prefer to live in a country like Germany or even Canada..