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celador on 06 December 2016
EricHiggin said:

Balanced implies next gen all around. 8 Core Zen, 12GB GDDR5(x), 6TFlop Vega, $499.

If this is what Scorpio ends up being hardware wise, odds are very good we hear leaks about PS5 late 2017, and legit news early 2018, with a launch fall 2018.

No way PS5 is fall 2018. That's around the time games like Last of Us 2 and Death Stranding will come out. 

Sony doesn't need to rush PS5 just because Scorpio will have a power advantage over it, PS4 will continue to sell great (much more than X1) and have a large install base regardless.

PS5 is fall 2019 at the earliest



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EricHiggin on 06 December 2016
Fei-Hung said:
$499 sounds right for a 1TB model. Also, Phil said he wants it to be console price, not that it will be. Wonder if they will throw a game in at $499. I can see them throwing in Halo, Forza or Gears that will be patched for native 4k.

I don't think they will go Zen and Vega. If they do I don't think they will be able to keep it below $499 with a TB HDD.

$499, 2TB. For a 4k console, 1TB ain't gunna cut it. Maybe MS does a $449 1TB model to cut cost, but 500GB was pushing it already when this gen launched.

I would bet at E3 2017 or soon after, PS announces Pro 2TB for $399, and 1TB Pro for $349. Maybe 1 first party game bundled.

I think Scorpio will either go bundle-less like Pro is now, or will remaster the Master Chief Collection in 4k and throw it in.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

VAMatt on 06 December 2016
KBG29 said:
Interesting.

I am still more than likely going to get the scorpio to support higher end consoles, but I was hoping they would continue with the more premium marketing. My dream is a future where we have high end consoles that can compete with or beat the best single GPU PC's on the market. A $999.99 console with a high end APU sporting a higher end CPU/GPU combo would be ideal. The fact that we have no option in the high end gaming market than PC and Windows is what I have been fighting all along.

There should be no issue for Sony or Microsoft building $1000 high end consoles that only end up with maybe 5 million users. As long as they still offer $200 variations with lesser CPU/GPU power on the same architecture, then development and scaling will not be an issue. We are never going to have the optimization we saw in the PS2 and before era again. That fact that games come to so many platforms has killed that. We should now have broader platforms with power ranges from cheap to enthusiast. We won't get the same bang for our buck, but we will still have unified platforms with highly optimized OS's and unified online networks.

Like I said, I am getting a Scorpik to support higher end consoles and a wider range of console products within a platform. I just hope they don't continue to hang out in this cheaper space, and they do finally give consumers an option outside of windows and pc for high end home computing.

I don't know that we'll see $999 consoles anytime soon.  But, we should be able to see consoles than can compete with $1000 gaming PCs in terms of performance.  In the console business, money can be lost on hardware sales, as it is made up on software.  Plus, by working with only one or two configurations, leveraging their scale, and leaving out stuff that is not important to gaming, the console companies can get components, and assemble them at a much, much lower price than gaming PC manufacturers.  So, I think it is reasonable to assume that we could see a console that performs like a PC that costs twice as much. 



EricHiggin on 06 December 2016
Solid-Stark said:
EricHiggin said:

XB1 sold for $499, and with all the negativity towards the brand before and after the launch, it still sold quite well, just not PS4 record breaking well. Once MS came clean about "flipping the switch" things got even better for them. The XB1S strong sales numbers just add to this.

If XB1 was able to do as well as it has, with all the mistakes MS made early on, and all the wrongs they've righted since, just imagine what they could do when they finally are able to fix the hardware issue...

A $499 native 4k console will make XB1 sales look like an absolute joke. It still won't sell like PS4 did, but will be respectable. This of course depends on whether or not PS decides to pull a MS and announce PS5 early and ruin the Scorpio party. PS won't risk Xmas 2017 PS4 and Pro sales though, so 2018 news at the earliest, maybe.

I didn't say anything on whether Xbox has sold well or not, or if Scorpio will sell well or not.

The maket has shown resistance to adopting consoles priced $499 or higher, regardless of features or capabilities. The OneS has shown moderate success, and it owes a lot of it to it's price point.  

I was agreeing with you, I just explained why thats all.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin on 06 December 2016
celador said:
EricHiggin said:

Balanced implies next gen all around. 8 Core Zen, 12GB GDDR5(x), 6TFlop Vega, $499.

If this is what Scorpio ends up being hardware wise, odds are very good we hear leaks about PS5 late 2017, and legit news early 2018, with a launch fall 2018.

No way PS5 is fall 2018. That's around the time games like Last of Us 2 and Death Stranding will come out. 

Sony doesn't need to rush PS5 just because Scorpio will have a power advantage over it, PS4 will continue to sell great (much more than X1) and have a large install base regardless.

PS5 is fall 2019 at the earliest

That's like saying PS2 was selling like hot cakes (the highest selling console in history by far) so PS didn't need to make an over the top $1000 console and sell it for $599, one year after the 360 launched. If PS3 waited to launch a year later than it did, things would have been even worse for PS. PS4 has a lot of momentum yes, but that momentum is based on its direct competition which is the XB1, not Scorpio.

PS5 launch, The Last Of Us Part II. Sounds like a sure fire way to sell a boat load of new consoles to me.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

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hudsoniscool on 06 December 2016
jason1637 said:
hudsoniscool said:

Microsofts whole idea revolves around compatibility. Backwards compatibility, forwards compatibility. To fail on that would be devastating.

If it launches at $500 it could sell 7ml before Scorpio 2 then price Droo to $250 early in 2020 with Scorpio 2 holiday 2020 so regular xbox owners upgrade and hardcores will still get the Scorpio 2. I like this method tbh, it keeps all my games together and ensures support all the way yo the 360 10+ years from now.

If Scorpio only does 7 million in 3 years that would be horrible. 2.33 million a year. I honestly believe they could have it at 500$ for all 3 years and still sell more than 10 million in that timeframe. I hope it will either be 400 if they skimp on the CPU, and 450 if they don't.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Solid-Stark on 06 December 2016
EricHiggin said:
Solid-Stark said:

I didn't say anything on whether Xbox has sold well or not, or if Scorpio will sell well or not.

The maket has shown resistance to adopting consoles priced $499 or higher, regardless of features or capabilities. The OneS has shown moderate success, and it owes a lot of it to it's price point.  

I was agreeing with you, I just explained why thats all.

Apologies. Sometimes it's hard to pick up tones and implications.



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Ljink96 on 06 December 2016

Very interesting. Can't wait to see how they're handling everything next year.



EricHiggin on 06 December 2016
Solid-Stark said:
EricHiggin said:

I was agreeing with you, I just explained why thats all.

Apologies. Sometimes it's hard to pick up tones and implications.

No offence taken. Its all good. As great as tech is, sometimes its hard to beat the old fashioned way of doing things. lol.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

NobleTeam360 on 07 December 2016
celador said:
EricHiggin said:

Balanced implies next gen all around. 8 Core Zen, 12GB GDDR5(x), 6TFlop Vega, $499.

If this is what Scorpio ends up being hardware wise, odds are very good we hear leaks about PS5 late 2017, and legit news early 2018, with a launch fall 2018.

No way PS5 is fall 2018. That's around the time games like Last of Us 2 and Death Stranding will come out. 

Sony doesn't need to rush PS5 just because Scorpio will have a power advantage over it, PS4 will continue to sell great (much more than X1) and have a large install base regardless.

PS5 is fall 2019 at the earliest

Agreed.