Goodnightmoon said:
Last Guardian is Ico 3, you said they focus on new IPs exclusively because Horizon xD |
I guess you could call Last Guardian, Ico 3. Same universe.
Has Sony's focus on games trumped their recent missteps?? | |||
| Yes, it's all about the games | 185 | 88.52% | |
| No, give me a 4k Blu ray ... | 24 | 11.48% | |
| Total: | 209 | ||
Goodnightmoon said:
Last Guardian is Ico 3, you said they focus on new IPs exclusively because Horizon xD |
I guess you could call Last Guardian, Ico 3. Same universe.
huiii said:
VGC says different but if you can give me a more credible source, consider me corrected. Pokemon is as much a Nintendo game as Until dawn, bloodborne, death stranding, etc. are Sony games. |
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/software/3ds.html
I actually tried googling whether Sony owns the IP of Until Dawn, but I could find nothing concrete, just that they published it.
But it doesn't really matter. All companies make new IPs, big or small. Nintendo had Boxboy, Pushmo, Codename Steam, Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE and Splatoon. Splatoon sold 4.57 million units as of September 2016 and is bigger than all the new IPs Sony created this generation. And that on a console with such a low userbase. They also made games based around new ideas but with existing characters (Super Mario Maker and Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker). Tomodachi Life was a new IP for the West (it had a Japanese exclusive predecessor on the DS).
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Well, i only care about games.
If i want to watch a film, go on internet, etc...i don't need a CONSOLE for this.

Alkibiádēs said:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/software/3ds.html I actually tried googling whether Sony owns the IP of Until Dawn, but I could find nothing concrete, just that they published it. But it doesn't really matter. All companies make new IPs, big or small. Nintendo had Boxboy, Pushmo, Codename Steam, Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE and Splatoon. Splatoon sold 4.57 million units as of today and is bigger than all the new IPs Sony created this generation. And that on a console with such a lower userbase. They also made games based around new ideas but with existing characters (Super Mario Maker and Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker). |
Lol you're just so ridiculous. You're still only talking about 3DS while 99% of Sony's threads are about their home consoles. So why. Why do you always insist on bringing up handhelds? Is that the only way you can try to prove your point? By talking about another topic?
You keep talking about how much Nintendo exclusives sell. The only reason they sell is much is because they don't have 3rd party support. The more games those platforms have, the less there exclusives will sell. People do not have infinite money, they buy only a certain number of games and if those games are all exclusives, well of course it's going to sell well. That's exactly why launch titles will sell more than if they were released a year after the launch of a console,there are fewer games to buy. That's exactly why Knack sold so much, it would not have sold as much if it were released a year after its release or whatever.
Yes Nintendo makes new IPs, but they make the least out of the big 3. Even Microsoft has more IPs than Nintendo and they've been in the business for fewer time. And of those new IPs, they're based on games that already exist.

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Ali_16x said:
Lol you're just so ridiculous. You're still only talking about 3DS while 99% of Sony's threads are about their home consoles. So why. Why do you always insist on bringing up handhelds? Is that the only way you can try to prove your point? By talking about another topic? You keep talking about how much Nintendo exclusives sell. The only reason they sell is much is because they don't have 3rd party support. The more games those platforms have, the less there exclusives will sell. People do not have infinite money, they buy only a certain number of games and if those games are all exclusives, well of course it's going to sell well. That's exactly why launch titles will sell more than if they were released a year after the launch of a console,there are fewer games to buy. That's exactly why Knack sold so much, it would not have sold as much if it were released a year after its release or whatever. Yes Nintendo makes new IPs, but they make the least out of the big 3. Even Microsoft has more IPs than Nintendo and they've been in the business for fewer time. And of those new IPs, they're based on games that already exist. |
A better question would be why do Sony fans insist on ignoring handhelds? A handheld is a portable console that plays games. This topic is abou games. Why should I ignore more than half of Nintendo's output? Just because Sony is incapable of supporting two consoles at the same time?
The only reason Nintendo games sell is because there's no third party support? Haha, do you actually believe that? So why did Nintendo games sell on the NES, SNES, GBA, DS or Wii then? If Nintendo went third party their games would still sell a lot better than Sony's games. I mean, people are willing to buy Nintendo consoles for just Nintendo games after all. ;)
What's the point of making new IPs if almost none of them made an impact what so ever.
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Alkibiádēs said:
A better question would be why do Sony fans insist on ignoring handhelds? A handheld is a portable console that plays games. This topic is abou games. Why should I ignore more than half of Nintendo's output? Just because Sony is incapable of supporting two consoles at the same time? The only reason Nintendo games sell is because there's no third party support? Haha, do you actually believe that? So why did Nintendo games sell on the NES, SNES, GBA, DS or Wii then? If Nintendo went third party their games would still sell a lot better than Sony's games. I mean, people are willing to buy Nintendo consoles for just Nintendo games after all. ;) |
Jesus christ.......how are you still here? Because they're different markets. That's why. Why is that hard for you to understand? It's not about games, it's about home console games. This thread was about PS4 games, not Vita. And if you don't understand the reason why Nintendo exclusives sell so much, not my problem. It's pretty obvious why though.

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Ali_16x said:
Jesus christ.......how are you still here? Because they're different markets. That's why. Why is that hard for you to understand? It's not about games, it's about home console games. This thread was about PS4 games, not Vita. And if you don't understand the reason why Nintendo exclusives sell so much, not my problem. It's pretty obvious why though. |
Because people like playing them.
Different markets? Is that why Nintendo is fusing their handheld and home console divisions? Alrighty then. The thing is, they're not such different markets as Sony fans like us to believe. The 3DS plays games, damn good games. That makes them part of the gaming market whether you like it or not.
All the games I liked on the 3DS would work just as well on a home console: A Link Between Worlds, Ocarina of Time 3D (a remake of a home console game), Majora's Mask 3D (another remake of a home console game), Fire Emblem Fates (this franchise has been on home consoles as well), Pokémon Sun and Moon (main-line games would work great on home consoles as well, and with the Switch we'll finally get just that), Super Mario 3D Land (3D World was based on this), etc.
Yeah, I'm not seeing the different market thing here.
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Alkibiádēs said:
Latest game sold 5 million copies. And Gran Turismo is a franchise they keep pumping out new games for, proving my point. The PSP version sold even less. |
Other IPs from Sony were selling great and got discontinued while others where selling subpar and continued...
Killzone started on PS2 and continued to PS4 not selling over 10M and even with drops.
Crash, Jake&Dexter and Uncharted where ND games that were cut after every gen change even if they were increasing.
Sony usually cycles the IPs (with the exception of Gran Turismo, not only because it sold more than 10M each time, but also because PD is a subsidiary not an internal studio and Yamauchi besides having more control than other studios is totally in love for GT. While the other studios on their freedom preffered to try new IPs).
Alkibiádēs said:
You're putting words in my mouth I never said. I said Sony would also keep making sequels to franchises that can sell 10 million units with each new installments. Nintendo happens to have quite a few of them (especially now that their handheld and home console divisions will merge): Pokémon, Animal Crossing, 2D Mario, Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Super Smash Bros., etc. |
And the keep making Zelda which isn't a 10M seller, all the Mario Spin-offs (some since SNES) doesn't sell over 10M. Most games on WiiU doesn't sell over 10M.
Alkibiádēs said:
Because people like playing them. Different markets? Is that why Nintendo is fusing their handheld and home console divisions? Alrighty then. The thing is, they're not such different markets as Sony fans like us to believe. The 3DS plays games, damn good games. That makes them part of the gaming market whether you like it or not. All the games I liked on the 3DS would work just as well on a home console: A Link Between Worlds, Ocarina of Time 3D (a remake of a home console game), Majora's Mask 3D (another remake of a home console game), Fire Emblem Fates (this franchise has been on home consoles as well), Pokémon Sun and Moon (main-line games would work great on home consoles as well, and with the Switch we'll finally get just that), Super Mario 3D Land (3D World was based on this), etc. Yeah, I'm not seeing the different market thing here. |
Good so since we have agreed on this. We can say Nintendo handheld is totally destroyed by Cellphone market and crappy bird and other games there sold a lot more than most Nintendo IPs.
And just for your Notice, Pokemon is owned by the Pokemon Company and made by Game Freaks neither are fully owned by Nintendo. But doesn't let that get on your way.

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Guitarguy said:
Not allowing full mod support in Skyrim/Fallout 4, stripping the PS4 Slim of the optical port, not including an UHD blu ray player in the Pro and not allowing the Pro to boost frame rates on non-Pro-patched titles with unlocked frame rates. No HDR passout for PSVR. |
They weren't allotting Bethesda more ram to run the mods, not outright denying them. Bethesda was just trying to shame Sony into getting their way.
Using an optical port on a console is just silly. Optical out of the TV into your sound system so you're not limited to just the PlayStation.
Hvec x256 will change the playing field for 4K in a way that will render UHD discs unnecessary. And you can't just increase specs and get better performance on consoles, as the games are hardware optimized. There needs to be a patch to get additional performance, so this is left up to the devs.
The last one is stupid, and while it's a bad decision, it's definitely not a company-ruining decision.
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I think, given recent events, it is no longer clear whether "trumped" can be interpretted in the way it as traditionally been. So I'm not entirely clear what the thread title is supposed to mean.
Still, I wonder, if Sony has mis-stepped this generation up until now, does that imply we should be disappointed with PS4 having sold almost 50 million already and it should really be at more like 60 or 70 million already? What should things look like if Sony hadn't allegedly mis-stepped?
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