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Soundwave on 28 November 2016
JRPGfan said:
RolStoppable said:

The first month is more like two weeks, and two million is a fine number when you compare it to the timeframe of roughly six weeks for systems that launch in mid-November; shipments for such a period amounted to ~4m units and we are talking about the holiday season here.

Switch is $199?

Yes supposedly planning a cheap 199$ and a more expensive 249$ model.

And I remember a 2m nr thrown around for launch amount (for the switch).

So when Barkley mentions that "low" amount(2m), is the reason scalpers are makeing it hard to get a NES mini.... my mind just went... isnt that what the Switch was supposed to launch with? Couldnt the same happend to the switch then?

 

The price is great tbh, its what alot of people said nintendo needed to do to sell the switch well.

I mean look at the Xbox One Slim and PS4 slim... they re like 208$ - 212$ atm.

Where is $199 coming from?

It's $249 for a base model and apparently $299 for the deluxe model, which means $299.99 for the "real" SKU since most people do not buy the discount/crappy bundle (see also: Wii U basic set, XBox 360 Tard Pak). 



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KLXVER on 29 November 2016
SuperNova said:
KLXVER said:
Well it might be because they don't know how it will sell. Its not like its difficult to find games like Pokemon, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda etc at launch and after or the regular Mario, Link, Yoshi or Luigi Amiibo. They know those will sell well.

I had a pre-order for the NES classic that didn't get honored. A fucking PRE-ORDER. And it wasn't from some shady back alley gamestop either, it was from Amazon one of the companies that are the most reliable when it come to only seeling their actual stock as pre-orders that I know of.

I will recieve it with the next shipment, next month. No way Nintendo didn't know what the demand for this thing would be. At the very least they knew the amount of pre-orders and still underdelivered. There is no defending them here.

Didnt Amazon start taking pre-orders like a few days before release?



SuperNova on 29 November 2016
KLXVER said:
SuperNova said:

I had a pre-order for the NES classic that didn't get honored. A fucking PRE-ORDER. And it wasn't from some shady back alley gamestop either, it was from Amazon one of the companies that are the most reliable when it come to only seeling their actual stock as pre-orders that I know of.

I will recieve it with the next shipment, next month. No way Nintendo didn't know what the demand for this thing would be. At the very least they knew the amount of pre-orders and still underdelivered. There is no defending them here.

Didnt Amazon start taking pre-orders like a few days before release?

They had several intervalls of taking pre-orders. One fairly early on, one(or two, not sure) a little closer to release and then a last one a few days before release. They kept selling out really fast.

Amazon themselves would have at least a rough estimate of further demand by the people signing up for notification when pre-orders are available and how fast they sold out each time and probably place more orders accordingly.  They are also huge and probably have a good Idea how much of their order is going to be delivered. I got my notification saying that I wouldn't recieve my NES classic in time for launch, but with the next shipment a couple of days before launch. That makes it seem to me like Nintendo suddenly cancelled out some shipments on them.



Turkish on 29 November 2016

Finally someone in the media addresses this issue.

I guess the others are too busy hoarding stuff.



Wyrdness on 29 November 2016
Darashiva said:
I understand that in some cases companies may underestimate the demand for a product, but like Jim said in the video, numerous different sites predicted well ahead of launch that the supply would not reach demand with the NES classic, so Nintendo should have been very well aware of it as well, and you really can't tell me that providing less than ten of them per store is Nintendo's genuine estimate for the console's demand.

Tbh mate numerous media outlets predicted a Clinton victory and Britain to remain as part of the EU so not going by what predictions from outlets is understandable.



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Louie on 29 November 2016
RolStoppable said:
I don't think it's possible to draw a conclusion of purposefully undershipping to create artificial demand when we don't have any numbers. Well, we do have first week sell-through for Japan which was ~250k. That doesn't look like a low allocation of the product because it isn't far off from the numbers new consoles have launched to in Japan in recent times.

While we don't have numbers for other regions, I'd assume that shipments were scaled for the bigger markets. so worldwide more than a million units were ready for launch week. That isn't a small shipment in and on itself, but relative to demand it appears miniscule. Said demand is inflated by scalpers buying up preorders, but that makes it all the more difficult for Nintendo to properly judge real demand before the product goes on sale. Wii U demand was greatly inflated which ended with scalpers returning ~100k units to stores in January 2013 in the USA alone; that's systems that scalpers were sitting on for two months before they gave up on reselling them.

Exactly. What's more is the question whether undershipping actually does "artificially increase demand" as people say it does. It's a common notion on gaming message forums but whenever I'm out there asking people who should know they say that most of the time it simply results in missed sales. Maybe that's different with a company like Nintendo that has a cult-like following. But most people will simply pass and say "no thanks, then!" if a product isn't readily available for them. The Wii ist an excpetion because that was a cultural phenomenon. tl;dr: The jury's still out on that one and we don't know if Nintendo actually makes more money by undershipping. It's doubtful at least. 



Darashiva on 29 November 2016
Wyrdness said:
Darashiva said:
I understand that in some cases companies may underestimate the demand for a product, but like Jim said in the video, numerous different sites predicted well ahead of launch that the supply would not reach demand with the NES classic, so Nintendo should have been very well aware of it as well, and you really can't tell me that providing less than ten of them per store is Nintendo's genuine estimate for the console's demand.

Tbh mate numerous media outlets predicted a Clinton victory and Britain to remain as part of the EU so not going by what predictions from outlets is understandable.

Political discourse is a bit different from predicting consumer interest in electronics. In terms of electronics the main agenda is usually commercial in nature, so it's generally much easier to predict such things compared to politics where quite a lot often depend on people's opinion, which can change quite quickly. I mean, even Amazon warned that their NES Classic supply would run out very quickly after release, which it did. 



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Jumpin on 29 November 2016

Why does everyone think Nintendo controls retail orders?
Retailers make the purchase, if they later decide they need more, it's not Nintendo's fault the retailer was not accurate in their purchase orders ahead of time. Units need to go through a production pipeline before shipment.



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JRPGfan on 29 November 2016
Jumpin said:

Why does everyone think Nintendo controls retail orders?
Retailers make the purchase, if they later decide they need more, it's not Nintendo's fault the retailer was not accurate in their purchase orders ahead of time. Units need to go through a production pipeline before shipment.

Nintendo doesnt give retails what they ask for.

Case in point, little store in italy ordered 150, and got like 12 from nitnendo (page 5 of this thread).

In this video Jimquisition mentions his local target ordered a bunch of them (probably 100+), but nintendo only sent them 3 units.

This isnt about retailers not ordering enough units, its about nitnendo seemingly purposefully not shipping to retail, what they order.



KLAMarine on 29 November 2016

Whether done on purpose or this is Nintendo being cautious, it's a shitty situation overall.

Nintendo needs to make sure to make more for the Holidays and for those who must absolutely have this, get your pre-orders in.