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Alkibiádēs said:
Ali_16x said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Interactive_Entertainment#Owned_franchises_and_properties

Simple aint it? Took my 5 seconds to find that and that person called me ignorant. 

And now, I'm actually 100% sure that even Microsoft has more IPs than Nintendo. And both Microsoft and Sony have been in the industry for less time.

That's a better list but I think quite a few of of those games aren't owned by Nintendo, just published. But as of now I think the total would be around 70-80 IPs.

I have never even heard about 95% of those games on Sony's list. If we're going to count "franchises" like Jinx we might as well count every individual Pokémon as a Nintendo franchise. Like seriously. You'd get more people to buy a game revolved around Garbador than that Jinx game Sony published.

Ok sure buddy



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Missed Advance Wars.

Yep, they don't need any more. Especially now they finally have a popular shooter.

If they could just get all of their main series up to the standard of Mario Kart and Zelda, they'd be sorted. Unfortunately they seem dedicated to fucking around with Metroid and Paper Mario for no good reason.



Alkibiádēs said:
Ali_16x said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Interactive_Entertainment#Owned_franchises_and_properties

Simple aint it? Took my 5 seconds to find that and that person called me ignorant. 

And now, I'm actually 100% sure that even Microsoft has more IPs than Nintendo. And both Microsoft and Sony have been in the industry for less time.

That's a better list but I think quite a few of of those games aren't owned by Nintendo, just published. But as of now I think the total would be around 70-80 IPs.

I have never even heard about 95% of those games on Sony's list. If we're going to count "franchises" like Jinx we might as well count every individual Pokémon as a Nintendo franchise. Like seriously. You'd get more people to buy a game revolved around Garbador than that Jinx game Sony published.

Them being obscure games really has nothing to do with Ali_16x is getting at, hes just pointing out that Sony has a higher qauntity of IP.

I dont think anyone is going to try arguing the fact that Nintendo has the overall most well known and popular IP though.



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zorg1000 said:
Alkibiádēs said:

I have never even heard about 95% of those games on Sony's list. If we're going to count "franchises" like Jinx we might as well count every individual Pokémon as a Nintendo franchise. Like seriously. You'd get more people to buy a game revolved around Garbador than that Jinx game Sony published.

Them being obscure games really has nothing to do with Ali_16x is getting at, hes just pointing out that Sony has a higher qauntity of IP.

I dont think anyone is going to try arguing the fact that Nintendo has the overall most well known and popular IP though.

Counting games made by third party companies, but published by Sony only in some parts of Europe hardly counts as higher quantity of IPs. That Jinx game wasn't even released outside of Europe.



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The main problem is that they have so many IPs but so little studios to make or manage them. There's a reason why they usually hand their spinoffs and 2nd-3rd rate, less important franchises to 2nd, 3rd party developers (Platinum Games - Star Fox Zero, Team Ninja - Metroid: Other M, Next Level - Luigi's Mansion 2, Metroid Prime: Federation Force), because they would rather spend their internal, in house resources on their most important, 1st class franchises, and are unwilling to invest in more, smaller studios to develop the other franchises unless they know, for a fact, that they will sell.'

Shame because while I may not have the money nowadays to go out and buy all of those games from those franchises. because life is kicking my ass and I have to prioritize, there are a lot more people that are more than willing to do so.
This is where the success of that mobile division will be crucial, if that succeeds and if they're serious about the dedicated gaming audience, they can invest that money towards opening newer studios to hire younger developers and have them all come up with fresh ideas and new games for all of those lesser known franchises, while the main studios they own at the top (EPD, Game Freak, Monolith, Intelligent Systems), handle the important franchises and act as the money makers.
Then over years of development and experience, those younger developers can work their way up the ladder to the bigger studios.
Hell, open up some European and American studios as well!



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No, they also need brand new IPs, Splatoon is great example.



zorg1000 said:
naruball said:

These franchises alone are not enough for wiiu to even sell 15m. That should tell you something.

Also keep in mind that 3ds has had a great number of versions and many (if not most) 3ds owners have bought several 2/3ds'. So the numbers are not representative of the interest of people in Nintendo hardware of its franchises.

While some 3ds games sell incredibly well, most don't even chart, unlike ps4/xb1 which have been ruling them.

Last, keep in mind that a 3/2ds is significantly cheaper than a ps/xb console.

The number of games that big 3rd parties make for a console as well as the effort they put into their ports usually shows how relevant a console is.

Well ya Wii U only got a fraction of the Nintendo support 3DS had on top of other obstacles, no Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Tomodachi Life, Kid Icarus, Nintendogs, Luigi's Mansion, traditional Kirby, 2D Zelda, Mario & Luigi, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Style Savvy, Mario Golf, Fossil Fighters, Chibi Robo, Rhythm Heaven.

You are correct that many people bought multiple 3DS models/special editions but is that any different from other devices? How many people bought the original PS3/360 along with one of their slim models and a special edition? Same with PS4/XBO, how many people bought the original model and bought/plan to buy a slim or pro model? Sure handhelds are more likely to sell multiple units to a single person but the point remains the same.

Your last 3 paragraphs really serve no purpose, the fact that more PS4/XBO games chart, the price of 3DS & number of AAA games a device has are absolutely irrelevent to anything you or I previously said.

Ok, let's not kid outselves here. Are you really comparing number of ps4's that a ps4 owner might get with the number of 3ds's that a 3ds owner ends up buying? I mean, really? Of course it's different. First of all, you can find a 3/2ds even for less than 100 euro. A price that no ps console ever reached Black Friday or not. That kind of price allows you to buy both the green and the blue 3ds you want. Not the same with ps4. How many people upgraded to the XL version? Or to the n3ds version? Look at any thread asking how many devices you've owned and see how many versions of 3ds each user had. Plus, think of the space they take, and how much easier it is for one to break or to get stolen/lost. So, yes it is different.

If you think that the games you listed would have helped wiiu sell significantly more, then I don't know what to say. I seriously can't see anyone going "there are all these great wiiu Mario games, but meh. Oh, there's a Mario and Luigi game? I'm buying a wiiu for sure". I could see, however, people buying a wiiu for a different genre like Splatoon. DIfferent game that satisfies a need people had and was good enough reason (along with the rest of the catalogue) to buy a home console.

As for the last paragraphs, of course they are relevant. I'm not sure you've even serious here. You said Ninty IPs are enough to be a success and sell 80m. My point was that apart from some games selling great, the rest 3ds/wiiu games did not perform well. Instead of selling the almost the same device multiple times to the same person, they need to sell a device to someone who doesn't have it in the first place. So Ninty does need 3rd party games and more IPs to attract an audience. Splatoon attracted an audience and NInty must focus both on New IPs and on better relations with 3rd parties to be competitive again.



sethnintendo said:
AZWification said:

I've searched on Wikipedia and I've counted 34 IPs on this page and is still missing some like Sin & Punishment, Eternal Darkness, Excitebike, Ballon Fight, StarTropics, WaveRace, Battle Clash, Fossil Fighters, Ice Climbers and others. But yeah, they have less than Sony.

Their eshop IPs are probably missing too like Pushmo, Ketzal's Corridors, Dillon's Rolling Western...  Or are those included too?  Just checked for Pushmo and it didn't show.

They are not there, either.



                
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onionberry said:
Ali_16x said:

Lol what are you smoking? Sony has more IPs. Hell I think even Microsoft has more IPs than Nintendo.

That's not true buddy, you could do a research instead of being ignorant. I'm not going to waste make time with you and I'm not going to post a list, so move on.

I thought the same as you, that Nintendo had more ip's. But after doing RESEARCH, as you suggest it's pretty quick to come to the conclusion that Sony definitely have more IP's than Nintendo... by a large margin.

Please don't throw accusations of "being ignorant" and tell people to do research when it seems you haven't... because factually he is correct.

You are the ignorant one here. You should take your own advice.



Barkley said:
onionberry said:

That's not true buddy, you could do a research instead of being ignorant. I'm not going to waste make time with you and I'm not going to post a list, so move on.

I thought the same as you, that Nintendo had more ip's. But after doing RESEARCH, as you suggest it's pretty quick to come to the conclusion that Sony definitely have more IP's than Nintendo... by a large margin.

Please don't throw accusations of "being ignorant" and tell people to do research when it seems you haven't... because factually he is correct.

You are the ignorant one here. You should take your own advice.

He alredy told me that, and I was talking to him. So your reply is useless cause I was arguing with him, not with you.