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Goatseye on 03 November 2016
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Adopting a great universal health care system that is in Europe and is the envy of the world is what Obamacare should have tried to implement. Having millions of poor people with no health cover is what keeps the powerless at the bottom end of American society.

It was supposed to be as robust as some of Europe's best. However, it was compromised due to fear of bringing full blown socialism into the country and turn US into a Denmark.

Imagine the horror; everyone's illness would be adressed without crippling debt and the poor insurance companies would have to reduce their margin of profit by a huge chunk.



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mrstickball on 03 November 2016
Machiavellian said:
outlawauron said:

Big companies benefitted with ACA because they were promised assistance with the government (which has largley fallen through) and were millions of new customers. As far as undercutting or trying to replace ACA, I think you're being disingenious if you believe that Obama is the only reason it was opposed. It was an unpopular bill at the time and even more unpopular as time passes.

No I am not being disingenuous.  Obama being the main and primary reason the ACA has received a lot of flak and resistance from Republicans is based on how they have tried to first make him a one term president and when losing that have tried to make him a bad president by doing nothing.  There are countless examples where Republicans have introduced bills and where they have then reverse their vote because Obama approved it.  If it made Obama look good no matter how many Americans it helped, Republicans would vote against it.

As for the ACA, a good deal of the ACA is actually from Republicans including the Mit Romey plan he tried to introduce during his run for the presidency.  The ACA is actually a Republican ideal not Democrat.  Hell, most of the Republicans during the time the Bill was introduced were supported and passed the Bill.  The part of the bill that require all Americans to have insurance is a Republican suggesting to fund the bill.  The only real, issue that Republican did not like about the bill that passed from the senate revision is on funding abortion.

Ah yes, lets blame the Republicans for a bill that none of them voted for. Who voted for the ACA? The Democrats. Who signed it into law? A Democrat president. There was no "Compromise" on the bill. The Republicans didn't compromise to achieve the bill - the Democrats had a majority and put it into law. 

Trying to pass this off as their fault is insane.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

It passed 219-212. Zero Republicans voted for it. 



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outlawauron on 03 November 2016
Goatseye said:
outlawauron said:

Big companies benefitted with ACA because they were promised assistance with the government (which has largley fallen through) and were millions of new customers. As far as undercutting or trying to replace ACA, I think you're being disingenious if you believe that Obama is the only reason it was opposed. It was an unpopular bill at the time and even more unpopular as time passes.

I think you're being disingenious if you think otherwise. Republicans ashamed Chris Christy because he hugged and praised Obama after federal assistance on Hurricane Sandy. Party over nation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/us/politics/after-embrace-of-obama-chris-christie-woos-a-wary-gop.html

So, you're telling me that every Republican in Congress actually loved each and everything about ACA but decided to vote against it because they found out Obama was behind it? His vocal support and lobbying was one of many reasons why it was voted against.



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Azuren on 03 November 2016

Health insurance needs to be declared a basic human need (like water and electricity) and needs to have limits imposed on it. Free market be damned, if they're making this mandatory, it's not a "free market" anymore, and price caps need to be set in stone.



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Goatseye on 03 November 2016
outlawauron said:
Goatseye said:

I think you're being disingenious if you think otherwise. Republicans ashamed Chris Christy because he hugged and praised Obama after federal assistance on Hurricane Sandy. Party over nation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/us/politics/after-embrace-of-obama-chris-christie-woos-a-wary-gop.html

So, you're telling me that every Republican in Congress actually loved each and everything about ACA but decided to vote against it because they found out Obama was behind it? His vocal support and lobbying was one of many reasons why it was voted again.

It is not a secret that the Republicans were doing everything from the get go to tarnish Obama's legacy.

Give this link a read: https://www.thenation.com/article/blueprint-gops-attempt-sabotage-obamacare/



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LadyJasmine on 03 November 2016

Obamacare is a success in the short term but a failure in the long term.



fatslob-:O on 03 November 2016

Obamacare will never end unless republicans held super majority in senate, majority in house of representatives and the oval office all at the same time ...

Health care is supposed to be a privilege when we can't afford to subisidize such a costly service ... 



LadyJasmine on 03 November 2016

It does not have to be repealed.

The system will likely implode on itself if not reformed by the next President.



LadyJasmine on 04 November 2016

Which is sad because I had a relative in the US who was 24.

She had no coverage even under her parents.

She had health issues but she carried on as going to the doctor would be an issue.

She ended up fainting one day and had a heart attack and died and she seemed healthy ( she had issues with a weak heart that could have been corrected by medicine).

The thing is here in Canada people even who are healthy go to the doctor for such issues as they do not have to worry about paying 100's of dollars of bills.



Machiavellian on 07 November 2016
mrstickball said:
Machiavellian said:

No I am not being disingenuous.  Obama being the main and primary reason the ACA has received a lot of flak and resistance from Republicans is based on how they have tried to first make him a one term president and when losing that have tried to make him a bad president by doing nothing.  There are countless examples where Republicans have introduced bills and where they have then reverse their vote because Obama approved it.  If it made Obama look good no matter how many Americans it helped, Republicans would vote against it.

As for the ACA, a good deal of the ACA is actually from Republicans including the Mit Romey plan he tried to introduce during his run for the presidency.  The ACA is actually a Republican ideal not Democrat.  Hell, most of the Republicans during the time the Bill was introduced were supported and passed the Bill.  The part of the bill that require all Americans to have insurance is a Republican suggesting to fund the bill.  The only real, issue that Republican did not like about the bill that passed from the senate revision is on funding abortion.

Ah yes, lets blame the Republicans for a bill that none of them voted for. Who voted for the ACA? The Democrats. Who signed it into law? A Democrat president. There was no "Compromise" on the bill. The Republicans didn't compromise to achieve the bill - the Democrats had a majority and put it into law. 

Trying to pass this off as their fault is insane.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

It passed 219-212. Zero Republicans voted for it. 

DId you not read what I wrote.  The house voted for the ACA without the funding for abortion.  The senate voted for their revised version of the ACA which had the funding for abortion.  The only thing that was changed within the house version and the senate version was the funding of abortion.  Everything else is the same which was something lead by republicans not democrates.  You need to look at the whole story for the ACA not just the revised version.

For clarity, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which is the post you provided is the Senate revised version.  Here is the House version and what was brought up by Republicans and signed by Republicans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_America_Act