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fleischr said:
pokoko said:

However, so what if it doesn't sell very well? You can only climb out of a well one handhold at a time. IF Nintendo wanted to compete with Sony and Microsoft then they'd have to work their way up and build a consumer base that wants to play third-party games. It won't happen overnight, even if Nintendo would actually come off some money.

If you disagree then form an argument for why you think an opinion is wrong. Telling people they can only say positive things does not fit the premise of these forums.

The point I'm making is that NX could have a very good launch, the almost exact same stable of 3rd party games as X1/PS4 for months to come, and we'd still hear these tired arguments. 

Serious question: How successful does the NX have to be and for how long before we stop doubting it?

IMO The truth is - if by some miracle NX totally outpaced the PS4 and X1 for a year or more, many would still write it off.

Everyone has a good launch, unless they pull an Xbox One.  The Wii U had a good launch.  Every single console has to prove itself.  The Wii U had to prove itself after the Wii, the PS3 after the PS2, and the Xbox One after the 360.  When the NX proves itself, then you can tell people their arguments are wrong.

Additionally, in the case of Nintendo consoles, they have to prove that they can sell third-party software and grow their consumer base.  Just having third-party games at launch isn't enough.

This pre-emptive 'poisoning the well' is useless.  When/if it happens, then you can point it out and say, "you're wrong."  



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fleischr said:

 

I encourage you to ignore such people. Because even if NX or any Nintendo platform were ever to have comparable or superior versions of games, the focus will always be on what a Nintendo platform does *not* have.

 

Yeah the worse thing is that this is exclusive to Nintendo stuff

It doesn't describe any and every console war conversation at all.



On the other hand you have people speculating that every big third party game will come to Wii U with hardly any evidence.



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Why do care so much if that's the case? This thread comes off as so whiney its not even funny.



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fleischr said:
pokoko said:

However, so what if it doesn't sell very well? You can only climb out of a well one handhold at a time. IF Nintendo wanted to compete with Sony and Microsoft then they'd have to work their way up and build a consumer base that wants to play third-party games. It won't happen overnight, even if Nintendo would actually come off some money.

If you disagree then form an argument for why you think an opinion is wrong. Telling people they can only say positive things does not fit the premise of these forums.

The point I'm making is that NX could have a very good launch, the almost exact same stable of 3rd party games as X1/PS4 for months to come, and we'd still hear these tired arguments. 

Serious question: How successful does the NX have to be and for how long before we stop doubting it?

IMO The truth is - if by some miracle NX totally outpaced the PS4 and X1 for a year or more, many would still write it off.

Well, if NX versions of multiplats starts to routinely outsell their competitors counterparts them you can say you are right, but you are basing that on wishfull thinking.

You are the one with tired arguments to justify that NX can be a great console for 3rd parties and that the fault is of others.

fleischr said:
Soundwave said:
I think if Nintendo can manage to get Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Madden NFL, FIFA, NHL (pretty please?), Star Wars, Ubi Soft stuff, and Call of Duty that would be pretty good on top of the standard 3DS type stuff that would be pretty good, but even that is probably asking for a bit too much, lol.

Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead Revolver, stuff like that probably isn't happening. I think getting EA on board (even if they aren't enthusiastic) is important because they have exclusive rights to things like the FIFA and NFL and Star Wars licenses. If Nintendo doesn't get them they are effectively locked out of those IP and there are plenty of kids/family audience types that love those games so not having those would hurt Nintendo.

So here's my conspiracy- Nintendo could have pulled off a 2016 launch, but EA wouldn't have been there ready for them. Even if EA wanted to be there, they couldn't get the manpower to make it happen.

To avoid the ugly reception and impression that NX would never get these titles - they delayed NX a few months so they could eventually line up to EA's 2017 cycle of these titles.

Sorry man, I can't take it anymore... EA with lack of manpower to release ports of their sports games to NX when people here claim its easy to port and have similar architeture to PS4X1? EA if profitable can launch dozen of ports of the game to every device know to the man. They didn't on WiiU for obvious reason and that isn't lack of manpower. Your conspiracy theory is just as lacking as almost any other that exist.



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DonFerrari said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
With any luck the NX will have the combined library power of the 3DS and Wii U. That alone will be enough exclusives to put the other platforms to shame. Third party support or not. There are roughly four high quality games coming out for the 3DS per year. The Wii U got about three high quality games a year. If Nintendo consolidates its efforts to a single console then they should be capable of putting out 7-8 high quality games a year. That's 21 must own games in three years. Currently my PS4 collection is sitting at 18 must own games.

Perhaps you should include that it would be to you. Because customers of X1 and PS4 seems pretty satisfied with the games the have. And considering the speed of sales of PS4 and SW sales of both platforms they seem to be buying much more than 3DS and Wii U... so who should be in shame?

Yeah, that brings to light a serious problem for Nintendo. Most people don't know about or don't care for the vast majority of quality Nintendo titles. Your average consumer just wants to play a few FPS or some sports games or whatnot. But then again the 3DS easily outsells the XB1 every week. So maybe not everyone is so ill informed. 

What is SW sales?

Also, didn't mean to imply that PS4 doesn't have any games. TBH, the PS4 is an amazing system with a treasure trove of games. It is quickly outpacing the PS3 library. 



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DonFerrari said:

Well, if NX versions of multiplats starts to routinely outsell their competitors counterparts them you can say you are right, but you are basing that on wishfull thinking.

EA with lack of manpower to release ports of their sports games to NX when people here claim its easy to port and have similar architeture to PS4X1? 

My wish is for Nintendo to create the NX as system with the same technical capabilities as X1, PS4 or higher. Let's be honest here: That's not hard to do. And it's not the craziest proposition to make the NX a success.

Don't be naive about software development. Even with a good development pipeline, it takes time to train staff and do extra QA effort. And regarding EA specifically - Nintendo and EA they would have to work together on high quality middleware for the Frostbite engine that nearly everything EA makes runs on. Most of what's rumored about NX porting capability deals with Unreal Engine and the Vulkan API. The reality here is that EA has only so much time and resources to work with Nintendo to make it happen. And in year that's given us VR, PS4Pro, and the announcement of Scorpio - you can be pretty sure how EA prioritizes any extra manpower they have. It doesn't mean they're unwilling to support Nintendo - they're just not going to go full crunch mode when there's other things that serve their interest.

This is common sense- if you can't launch a platform with the biggest games from within the last month or two, it's not a good time to launch. By the time that March rolls around - FIFA, Madden, and CoD have pretty much made the mark they're gonna make - so their absence from a march launch is nbd. By moving NX out from holiday to march, they effectively given EA a whole extra year to acclimate to the NX dev environment.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016

DonFerrari said:
Yep... all people that said the Wii or Wii U version of a multiplat game sold worse than on the rivals is lying. Thanks for the heads up.

dont' forget N64 and Gamecube