It doesn't matter, because it was doomed to failure. 

A sony smartphone/handeld would not do well. People don't want to change from iPhones and Samsungs to a playstation phone device. They aren't going to up and change everything for it. People like playstation games so they're happy buying a PS4 to do it, they don't have to replace anything. Also this phone would be more expensive than a PS4, if it isn't it wont be a good/powerful phone. That's insanity. 

If team Japan wanted to take on the American mobile loards, then they definitly could turn it into a three way battle between iOS, Android, and the Sony/Nintendo OS. However, I don't see Sony and Nintendo ever teaming up. Even alone they would do just fine though. even 50 Million a piece over 5 years, and they would have two solid mobile platforms. Again, they don't have to dominate Apple and Google, they just have to make money. 

As for the mobile market being oversaturated. Yes, the Slab phone space is, but the market offers no options. iPhone, Galaxy, Xperia, Pixel, etc. are all the same thing. There is no option for specialized phones, and that is where Nintendo and Sony can shine, and Micorosft as well.

No, I don't think the majority of people want physical buttons. I do think there are 200 million gamers out there that would love to have Nintendo and Sony handhelds with phone capabailites though.

I fail to see where you are going with adding smartphone features would complicate the process. Smartphone features are just apps. The ability to control your garage door, use gps, check your bank, log your fitness, listen to streaming music, make calls, or use social media all happens through apps. PS Vita could already pause games to take a call on Skpye. PS4, XBO, Vita all have notifications systems in place. The ability to quickly switch between apps is already possible on PS4, XBO, and Vita. 

Yes, smartphones are different than handhelds, but, there is also a massive amount of cross over between the two. Making multiple versions, and having yearly revisions is not an issue in the slightest.

Lmao dammit, didn't edit it in time. But yeah, had two threads up at the same time. Edited it.

I don't see where anyone could get the idea that a Vita or 3DS phone would sell less than the PS4 is currently. If today Nintendo announced a 4G New 3DS in Japan with Calling and Texting, it would sell Millions of units on lunch, and sell over a million units a month in Japan alone the whole first year. 

People have already bought 60 million 3DSs without mobile network support. That number would be multiple times greater if they had mobile network support.

Of course a bastard product was doomed to fail. How could it ever have succeeded? If Apple put out an iPhone that with physical buttons, that was two gens behind the current iphone, had its own special store with no access to the app store propper, and recieved no support from developers, it would end up the same. Putting 5% effort behind something, then saying, "see people don't want this", is rubbish. 

I am not saying that the 1.5 billion smartphone buyers would suddenly switch over to PlayStation and Nintendo phones. It would obviously be a niche market, and probably never get much more than 250M active user between the two, but those 250M users would be an extreamly profitable niche, just as the niche of PS4, XBO, WiiU, 3DS, and Vita users are highly profitable.

As for price, it would depend on the business model. Iphone 7 only costs $225 to build, PS4 cost $381 to build at launch, however, iPhone 7 sells for $649, and PS4 sold for $399. So, if Sony wanted to make PlayStation Phone competitive to iPhone 7, they could easily sell it at the same price as PS4, in fact if they wanted to make it even more powerful than iPhone 7, they could still sell it for $399 and make a profit on every unit sold. A $649 PlayStation Phone would be a beast of a unit, and make massive profits on hardware alone, plus Sony would make massive profits on sales and advertising through PlayStation Store.

200 million? Where did you get that number?

All those apps? You would need the companies that make them to port it the handhelds. What would their incentive be? That "200 million" people would buy one of the handhelds? 

And no, the difference between releasing a a New 3DS and releasing an iPhone 7 is massive. With the New 3DS, you have to remind people that it's not much different from the 3DS. With the iPhone 7, you'd need to tell the world all the new and exclusive features it has, in order to differentiate it from previous models. 

Uhm, no it would succeed because it's Apple and people literally would buy Apples faeces. 

It wouldn't even reach that. 

Sony sell their smartphones for a lot more than a PS4 and still lose money. And no one is buying a $650 phone to play playstation games, when they can buy Apple or Samsung and play on their PS4's.

240 Million people bought the DS and PSP. That was 240 million people that bought a dedicated mobile gaming device. Had Vita and 3DS had phone capabilites, they would have easily held onto most of those users.

Yes, developers have to port apps. In the beggining, iOS and GPS will have a massive advantage, and it will take time for devs to make apps for these devices. However, the backing of NX and PS4 would be a huge help. Create one app and it works on 70 million PS4's and PS4 Phone. It's not iphone or Android numbers, but it is a massive group of people, that they would otherwise loose business from.

I don't even know what you are getting at in the last part. Market confusion? 

Apple fans are bad, but they arn't that bad.

There are 200 million people out there that want gaming centric electronic devices. That is way we have had over 200 million consoles sold every gen since PS2, and why PSP and DS sold 240 Million units. Sony and Nintendo have still never offered these 240 million people a phone. If and when they do, those 240 million people will be on board in no time. 

Sony is loosing money on Xperia because of the massive decline in sales, not because of price. They had to write down over a billion dollars in valuation loss, because the whole Sony Mobile unit was worth multiple times less than they promised share holders. The continued losses are do to massive amounts of unsold stock, due to sales dropping from 50 million units to 15 million. They greatly over produced and have had to take losses on non sold hardware.

You've not given any realistic answer as to how Sony and Ninty will convince people to buy a very large, very expensive mobile device in the very large quantity you mentioned.  

iPhone 7 wireless earbuds.

I actually kind of hope they do it now so you'll see how bad this would turn out.

The landscape was totally different. People aren't going to get rid of their daily drivers to buy expensive phones to play games on when they're happy playing smartphone-like games on smartphone. Nintendo and Sony would make way more money just making smartphone games and putting them on the playstore and apple store.

I absolutly have. 20 Million is nothing. PS4 is doing 20 million this year, Wii did it multiple times, PS2, and DS as well. 

A NX and PS4 phone would offer GTA5, COD, Gran Turismo, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and many more on the go. Kids escpecially having the ability to Play COD against their friends at lunch or on the bus, would be a huge early driver to the success. Kids don't care about banking, trading, health and fitness. Kids care about gamings and social connection. They alone would drive sales of these levels for each platform.

I don't get where the idea that it would be large and very expensive comes from either. These devices could easily sell for $400 at launch and absolutly destory iPhone or Androids in power, all while being no bigger than the iPhone 7+ or the Galaxy Note phones. Smartphones are the biggest price gouging devices on the market.

Still don't get it. What about iPhone 7 wireless ear buds?

I absolutly hope they wil so we can have options in mobile, and so I can come back and say I told you all so.

Sony and Nintendo will never make long term money on mobile. A Gran Turismo, a Mario, a God of War, would all be flash in the pan successes with very short life spans. The slab phones can not offer an experience that people will stick with and support. It is just, oh, cool, Kratos on iPhone, and then it's done and over.

Again, no 1.5 billion people are not going to give up their phone for this. 30 million people between them in year one, yes. 200 million people between them aafter 5 years, absolulty. These would not be expensive phones to play games. They would be $400 handheld/phone hybrids, that would outperform iPhone and Android devices. 

Seroiusly, with the logic I am seeing here, consoles should stop being manufactured immedietly, because people already have PC's and Roku's, and why would they drop there daily driver, to buy an expensive gaming machine? People are already happy with browser based games, at home, they don't want an option for higher level gaming.