Nintendo and Sony have to bring out Handheld/Phone hybrids in 2017.

[KBG29]

VAMatt said:

I have answered this many times above.

You've not given any realistic answer as to how Sony and Ninty will convince people to buy a very large, very expensive mobile device in the very large quantity you mentioned.  

I absolutly have. 20 Million is nothing. PS4 is doing 20 million this year, Wii did it multiple times, PS2, and DS as well. 

A NX and PS4 phone would offer GTA5, COD, Gran Turismo, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and many more on the go. Kids escpecially having the ability to Play COD against their friends at lunch or on the bus, would be a huge early driver to the success. Kids don't care about banking, trading, health and fitness. Kids care about gamings and social connection. They alone would drive sales of these levels for each platform.

I don't get where the idea that it would be large and very expensive comes from either. These devices could easily sell for $400 at launch and absolutly destory iPhone or Androids in power, all while being no bigger than the iPhone 7+ or the Galaxy Note phones. Smartphones are the biggest price gouging devices on the market.

ArchangelMadzz said:

KBG29 said:

240 Million people bought the DS and PSP. That was 240 million people that bought a dedicated mobile gaming device. Had Vita and 3DS had phone capabilites, they would have easily held onto most of those users.

Yes, developers have to port apps. In the beggining, iOS and GPS will have a massive advantage, and it will take time for devs to make apps for these devices. However, the backing of NX and PS4 would be a huge help. Create one app and it works on 70 million PS4's and PS4 Phone. It's not iphone or Android numbers, but it is a massive group of people, that they would otherwise loose business from.

I don't even know what you are getting at in the last part. Market confusion? 

Apple fans are bad, but they arn't that bad.

There are 200 million people out there that want gaming centric electronic devices. That is way we have had over 200 million consoles sold every gen since PS2, and why PSP and DS sold 240 Million units. Sony and Nintendo have still never offered these 240 million people a phone. If and when they do, those 240 million people will be on board in no time. 

Sony is loosing money on Xperia because of the massive decline in sales, not because of price. They had to write down over a billion dollars in valuation loss, because the whole Sony Mobile unit was worth multiple times less than they promised share holders. The continued losses are do to massive amounts of unsold stock, due to sales dropping from 50 million units to 15 million. They greatly over produced and have had to take losses on non sold hardware.

iPhone 7 wireless earbuds.

I actually kind of hope they do it now so you'll see how bad this would turn out.

The landscape was totally different. People aren't going to get rid of their daily drivers to buy expensive phones to play games on when they're happy playing smartphone-like games on smartphone. Nintendo and Sony would make way more money just making smartphone games and putting them on the playstore and apple store.

Still don't get it. What about iPhone 7 wireless ear buds?

I absolutly hope they wil so we can have options in mobile, and so I can come back and say I told you all so.

Sony and Nintendo will never make long term money on mobile. A Gran Turismo, a Mario, a God of War, would all be flash in the pan successes with very short life spans. The slab phones can not offer an experience that people will stick with and support. It is just, oh, cool, Kratos on iPhone, and then it's done and over.

Again, no 1.5 billion people are not going to give up their phone for this. 30 million people between them in year one, yes. 200 million people between them aafter 5 years, absolulty. These would not be expensive phones to play games. They would be $400 handheld/phone hybrids, that would outperform iPhone and Android devices. 

Seroiusly, with the logic I am seeing here, consoles should stop being manufactured immedietly, because people already have PC's and Roku's, and why would they drop there daily driver, to buy an expensive gaming machine? People are already happy with browser based games, at home, they don't want an option for higher level gaming.