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Wyrdness on 05 October 2016
Lucas-Rio said:

Being just a good game isn't enough for a Nintendo game. Nintendo is held in a high position because the quality of the games are among the best in the market.

Pokken and Tokyo mirage are disappointing exemples also.

Let's say Color Splash get decent reviews? It's still vastly inferior to Thousand Year door or Super Paper Mario. Not in the same league.

I think you've skewered your own opinion thinking it's fact, Tokyo Mirage for a start is one of the best RPGs out this gen, Pokken is actually a surprisingly good fighting game, Paper Mario is being recieved well, Yoshi WW is recieved well also and Captain Toad is a GOTY nominee. All of this goes against the argument you're pushing here, don't mistake not getting the games only you want with their games not being quality because that's not the case.



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Lucas-Rio on 05 October 2016
Nuvendil said:
Ok two things with your list. First, nearly all were released between or right after big releases. Yoshi (which isn't particularly small frankly) and Amiibo Festival launched between Mario Maker and Xenoblade, Star Fox launched between Pokken Tournament and Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, Captain Toad followed up Smash and Bayonetta 2 (both GOTY contenders), and Paper Mario is not from what we have seen bad or underdeveloped and small so why is it even on the list?

Two, the existence of midtier titles is not the issue nor should we want them to go away. They add to the library, allow developers to explore ideas not suited to massive games (see Captain Toad and Kirby and the Rainbow Curse), and open up good business opportunities to get revenue to help fund bigger peojects.

And as an addendum, many of those games are good soooo what's the problem? Yoshi is regarded as good, Toad is critically acclaimed. I mean, more games that are good isn't bad.

The problem is that the good games on Wii U first years are:

Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, Smash bros, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong TF, all considered great games.

Now the "good games" are Pokken (very average and not Nintendo BTW), Tokyo Mirage , Starfox Zero, and a vastly inferior Paper Mario.

You don't see the downgrade in quality? Be honest.



Lucas-Rio on 05 October 2016
Wyrdness said:
Lucas-Rio said:

Being just a good game isn't enough for a Nintendo game. Nintendo is held in a high position because the quality of the games are among the best in the market.

Pokken and Tokyo mirage are disappointing exemples also.

Let's say Color Splash get decent reviews? It's still vastly inferior to Thousand Year door or Super Paper Mario. Not in the same league.

I think you've skewered your own opinion thinking it's fact, Tokyo Mirage for a start is one of the best RPGs out this gen, Pokken is actually a surprisingly good fighting game, Paper Mario is being recieved well, Yoshi WW is recieved well also and Captain Toad is a GOTY nominee. All of this goes against the argument you're pushing here, don't mistake not getting the games only you want with their games not being quality because that's not the case.

Not even close. Tokyo mirage thing is nothing compared to the likes of Xenoblade X, Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Persona, Bravely default. Pokken is very average, Paper Mario may be a good game, it's not a great game unlike Super Paper Mario or TYD. Captain Toad being a GOTY nominee is JOTY (joke of the year).  It's not even close to be an effort worth a nomination.



alternine on 05 October 2016

Last quality release was Xenoblade so im inclined to agree.



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Nuvendil on 05 October 2016
Lucas-Rio said:
Nuvendil said:
Ok two things with your list. First, nearly all were released between or right after big releases. Yoshi (which isn't particularly small frankly) and Amiibo Festival launched between Mario Maker and Xenoblade, Star Fox launched between Pokken Tournament and Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, Captain Toad followed up Smash and Bayonetta 2 (both GOTY contenders), and Paper Mario is not from what we have seen bad or underdeveloped and small so why is it even on the list?

Two, the existence of midtier titles is not the issue nor should we want them to go away. They add to the library, allow developers to explore ideas not suited to massive games (see Captain Toad and Kirby and the Rainbow Curse), and open up good business opportunities to get revenue to help fund bigger peojects.

And as an addendum, many of those games are good soooo what's the problem? Yoshi is regarded as good, Toad is critically acclaimed. I mean, more games that are good isn't bad.

The problem is that the good games on Wii U first years are:

Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, Smash bros, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong TF, all considered great games.

Now the "good games" are Pokken (very average and not Nintendo BTW), Tokyo Mirage , Starfox Zero, and a vastly inferior Paper Mario.

You don't see the downgrade in quality? Be honest.

First, XCX is less than a year ago, that's not long for a game of that size.  Second, Pokken is, imho (and in the opinions of many others) not average, it is quite good.  Third, Tokyo Mirage, while not my thing, is from all accounts very good, perhaps even great.  Fourth you have not even played Paper Mario but the vast majority of reviewers seem to disagree quite strongly, including independent reviewers who vocally and strongly hated Sticker Star (Andre, for example).  Star Fox is a weak point I will concede.  But I will point out Twilight Princess HD, while not a new game, was a good remaster and a very nice addition to the library.

Now, do I see a decrease in release rate?  Yes, but with a new platform coming that is 100% expected.  I personally thought 2015 went rather well overall so this is just 1 year, the year before a new platform.  So I will wait to see what other titles are launching with the NX before casting judgment in that manner.  And none of this touches on the 3DS which has also had some really good games.



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maxleresistant on 05 October 2016

Yes they are, but it didn't start last year, it slowly started on the Wii/DS, but now they really are becoming lazy



The_BlackHeart__ on 05 October 2016

Do we really need to go trough what is wrong with the WiiU system again?

Its simple, they don't want to put all the cream on a cake that nobody is planning on eating.

Lets be serious, they probably had a lot of good projects that were placed on hold as soon as they realized the WiiU was a mess.

I'm actually grateful that Nintendo didn't release too many good games on the WiiU so than I'm not forced to buy a bad designed console. Shots Fired XD

 

Edit: That came out a little harsh lol, but I'm not a hater I promise. I actually believe Nintendo has the best IPs, they just didn't have the chance to shine this gen :)



Culipechi on 05 October 2016

What is the problem with those games? I played them all and they are fantastic. Did you played them or are you just another one of those persons who speaks without even playing the games?



StarOcean on 05 October 2016
Lucas-Rio said:
Wyrdness said:

I think you've skewered your own opinion thinking it's fact, Tokyo Mirage for a start is one of the best RPGs out this gen, Pokken is actually a surprisingly good fighting game, Paper Mario is being recieved well, Yoshi WW is recieved well also and Captain Toad is a GOTY nominee. All of this goes against the argument you're pushing here, don't mistake not getting the games only you want with their games not being quality because that's not the case.

Not even close. Tokyo mirage thing is nothing compared to the likes of Xenoblade X, Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Persona, Bravely default. Pokken is very average, Paper Mario may be a good game, it's not a great game unlike Super Paper Mario or TYD. Captain Toad being a GOTY nominee is JOTY (joke of the year).  It's not even close to be an effort worth a nomination.

DQ (besides X which is more of a spin off) and Persona have yet to have releases in the west. So your statement holds no validity. You're just naming off well liked JRPGs



V-r0cK on 05 October 2016
bigtakilla said:
V-r0cK said:
Nintendo is like every other dev, they have high quality games AND low quality games (for some reason some Nintendo fans have trouble believing that).

I would disagree that Captain Toad is a low quality game though.

Well, I think it'd be hard to blame us when games like Yoshi's WW, Paper Mario, and Capt Toad (launched  at $40) are being put on trial.

 

Lucas-Rio said:
V-r0cK said:
Nintendo is like every other dev, they have high quality games AND low quality games (for some reason some Nintendo fans have trouble believing that).

I would disagree that Captain Toad is a low quality game though.

Nintendo released high quality titles at the beginning of the Wii U:

Mario Kart 8, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, NSMBU, Smash Bros, Donkey Kong, Xenoblade X (released mid 2015 in Japan but long development).

The last high quality game being released is Splatoon.

Since Splatoon, Nintendo just stopped caring about the quality of the games and just released low budget spin off with average  quality.

@bigtakilla & Lucas-Rio.

I was speaking more just in general and not just for the only Nintendo's Wii U games mentioned in the OP.  I can't speak for some of those games as I haven't tried some.  But most of my Wii U library consist of Nintendo good quality games but you can tell when Nintendo's quality are low as well.  

@Lucas-Rio, as one of the Wii U's beginning games, I wouldn't consider NSMB Wii U as high quality game.  It was just a rehash of the Wii version with some changes, than of course there's NSLB Wii U where that's just a quick cash grab lol