Bandorr said:
People talking about playing games on their consoles. How dare they. This is the Van Gogh chartz after all. We should only be talking about his art. |
It's still off topic from the OP. 🙄 It's more like derailing to make an argument better, straw man tactic.
Your logic requires the detractors to be the exact same people in both instances. That is very likely probably not the case. Heck, one of the most vocal detractors on this board was basically an AV nut: he was buying a 4K TV, and wanted the best 4K movies he could get, for which he felt he needed blu ray because he didn't think 4K streaming would be good enough. I'm not really sure how you can make the case that the detractors are simply hypocritics.
Now, I AM one of those people who felt the PS3's inclusion of blu ray (and cell for that matter) was pointless and contributed to the system selling far less than PS1, PS2, and being beaten by the Wii (a system that couldn't even play DVDS!) and only barely beating the 360 in worldwide sales thanks in large part to the 360's nonexistent Japanese market share. The system was far more expensive than it needed to be. And it was still sold at a significant loss too! But I am also a person who doesn't care that much about picture quality. I didn't care much about PS3's inclusion of blu ray beyond the novelty of a new medium, and I don't care about PS4Pro's exclusion of blu ray beyond the fact that it seems like an odd choice for a system that is being released largely for 4K consumers.
Given that we already have a $300 PS4 on the market, I personally don't see the problem with Sony releasing the PS4Pro at $450, or even $500 in order to include the feature, since there is still a much more affordable option on the market for people like me who don't own a 4K tv and don't care about the feature.
LivingMetal said:
I can buy anything I want for whatever reason. It's called "personal preference." And after reading Zoombael response to your comment, I see what you're trying to do now. You're just trying to belittle the potential market for the PS4 Pro. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but obviously I was wrong about you. And in 1st world countries, people always buy more than they need whether it's food, clothes, cells phone functions, kitchen appliances, video games, cars, square footage of a home, etc. According to your false logic, I'm in a niche market with my Mazda 6. Maybe I should have picked out the Sport model since I don't need the bells and whistles of the Touring model I currently own. Better yet besides getting a 6, maybe I should have settled with a 3 since it's cheaper and "does the job." Then again, the Toyota Camry cost less that a Mazda 3. For shame I'm in such a niche market. FOR SHAME! Yes, that was sarcasm about the Mazda. Nothing niche about that and the PS4 Pro, nothing new. |
The PS4pro is a premium version of the PS4. It will sell less than the PS4(/PS4s) SKU and be a subset of the PS4 family. By virtue it will serve a niche market.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niche_market
My point was that as a premium console, differing from a new-gen console, pricing isn't as important as new features given that a standard SKU exists to serve the rest. It related to your situation in that had it cost more than you were willing to pay with your current setup, you'd still buy a regular PS4.
| MikeRox said: Blu-ray was really struggling against HD DVD in a battle for what they thought was going to be a market as lucrative as DVD was at the time. Therefore there was a huge incentive for Sony to "trojan" as many Blu-ray players into homes as possible. This ultimately led to them comfortably forcing HD DVD off the market (sales for HD DVD were far better than Blu-ray until the very minute the PS3 hit the US market when it was completely flipped the other way, and HD DVD never clawed it back after that) This time around with UHD BD, it's a completely different thing. We have seen that BD even 10 years down the line, still hasn't overtaken DVD as the main video format. So although still a big market, nowhere near as lucrative as hoped. Partially due to streaming, but more due to the average person still finding DVD perfectly acceptable. 4K BDs will be a niche market, and will more likely share a similar sort of existence to that enjoyed by Laser Disc in the past. High end releases for the videophiles and big film enthusiasts. There is also no impotus to dethorn Blu-ray as the high definition option, as it is already their format. So I don't really see why logically, Sony would want to just chuck in a UHD BD player for the sake of it? It was clear from multi DVD games that Blu-ray was offering a better capacity for the direction games were heading in too. Microsoft on the otherhand know they have exhausted their best software arsenal, and don't have that much left to try and claw back marketshare from the PS4 globally. A UHD BD player could well be for some people, an upgrade that makes them change their purchase. |
This exactly. I doubt Sony expects more from 4K blu-ray discs than 3D blu-ray. And 3D blu-rays you actually have to buy as there is very little streaming support for 3D.
I bet most people that buy 4K tvs will still watch dvds or stream HD Netflix on it and watch 720p cable. At least this time it's not all stretched to hell as with the introduction of widescreen tvs. That was infuriating lol, everywhere I look stretched pictures, nightmares. And why shouldn't they, with CRT it was always about better dot pictch, nowadays a 4K screen still gives you improved 720p and 1080p picture, since both scale excellently on it.
As much as I hate it, physical disk sales are rapidly declining and 4K blu-ray is not going to change it :(
mysteryman said:
The PS4pro is a premium version of the PS4. It will sell less than the PS4(/PS4s) SKU and be a subset of the PS4 family. By virtue it will serve a niche market. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niche_market My point was that as a premium console, differing from a new-gen console, pricing isn't as important as new features given that a standard SKU exists to serve the rest. It related to your situation in that had it cost more than you were willing to pay with your current setup, you'd still buy a regular PS4. |
Of course I still wanted to buy PS4 because I'm a gamer. But that was before the PS4 Pro announcement. The PS4 Pro serves my gaming preferences more than the PS4. So again it's a non issue and I get when I pay for. And so what if the PS4 outsell the PS4 Pro? That doesn't make the PS4 Pro a niche system and even if it is what's the big deal? It's what I want and that's what really matters. It's not up to you to dictate what's best for me and what's a niche product.
LivingMetal said:
Of course I still wanted to buy PS4 because I'm a gamer. But that was before the PS4 Pro announcement. The PS4 Pro serves my gaming preferences more than the PS4. So again it's a non issue and I get when I pay for. And so what if the PS4 outsell the PS4 Pro? That doesn't make the PS4 Pro a niche system and even if it is what's the big deal? It's what I want and that's what really matters. It's not up to you to dictate what's best for me and what's a niche product. |
BOLD1: By virtue it does.
BOLD2: I never did, I only repeated what you said you would do.
mysteryman said:
BOLD1: By virtue it does. BOLD2: I never did, I only repeated what you said you would do. |
You never repeat anything I said. To you the PS4 Pro wasn't worth the money, more so a waste of money. And I respected that from your point of view. But I think it's worth my dollar. Yet you fail to respect that. Go figure.
SvennoJ said:
I could justify it since I watch movies on a 92" screen. However it's a 1080p projector, and I'm not willing to drop $10,000 on a new projector. (which can't show HDR, doesn't support wide color gamut and is limited to 4:2:0 8 bit color in 4K at 60fps) |
Yeah, pretty much this. PS4 not getting UHD BR, is like WTF, but meh - guess I'll update my XB1 to XB1S and PS4 to PS4P.
LivingMetal said:
You never repeat anything I said. To you the PS4 Pro wasn't worth the money, more so a waste of money. And I respected that from your point of view. But I think it's worth my dollar. Yet you fail to respect that. Go figure. |
I had said that to me, someone without a 4K setup buying a PS4pro was a bigger waste of money than someone with a 4K setup buying a more expensive PS4pro with 4K Bluray playback.
As for not repeating you:
| mysteryman said: My point was that as a premium console, differing from a new-gen console, pricing isn't as important as new features given that a standard SKU exists to serve the rest. It related to your situation in that had it cost more than you were willing to pay with your current setup, you'd still buy a regular PS4. |
| LivingMetal said: Would I buy a PS4 Pro if it were $500 with 4K Blu-Ray playback. Short answer: No. My original intent in buying a PS4 this Christmas was to bag an original PS4 |
Make of it what you will.
Azuren said:
So you haven't used either, and you employ double standards to push your agenda. Gotcha. |
Always good to have options ;) Fact is i can if i wanted to.
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