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TheBlackNaruto on 26 September 2016
jumpship1020 said:
GribbleGrunger said:

Can you explain to me -- given the data available here and the fact Amazon hasn't been wrong -- how you have come to the conclusion that the XB1s will win Sep? I'll just agree to disagree on all the other 'stuff'.

because the ps4 slim is doing poorly
because the ps4 slim is only sold 2 1/2 weeks for the 5 week tracking period.
because the ps4 sold only about 40k weekly in july and august. and that is also the baseline for the frist 2 september weeks. or maybe even lower, like japan
because hardcore gamer don't upgrade to the ps4 slim
because the casual audience did not know about the ps4 slim before launch and the marketing is very slow
because last year, the ps4 pricecut in october did not move any significant amount of units. the sales happend one moth later on black friday

because the ps4 slim did nothing in uk at launch
"Retail banks on FIFA 17 to rejuvenate stagnant market

Retail buyers are banking on FIFA and Xbox One S to revitalise a struggling physical games market.

Last week’s major releases - including the new PS4 and PES 2017 - failed to rejuvenate the sector after a summer of low sales.

No Man’s Sky was a bright spot in a difficult period for boxed games, which included the worst sales month on record in July, and the lowest weekly figure for physical games - £3.9m was generated in the week ending September 10th, over half a million below the previous all-time low [GfK figures).

Sales were expected to improve last week with the arrival of an updated PS4, plus seven new games. Yet fewer than 85,000 new boxed releases were sold for the week ending September 17th.

But leading retailers are expecting a huge improvement over the coming weeks thanks to the Xbox One S launch and arrival of FIFA 17. Furthermore, retailers tell MCV that early pre-orders of the PS4 Pro in November are ‘extremely positive’.

“Xbox One S interest seems high. We may see 25,000 sales Week One,” said one leading games retail boss. “FIFA 17 pre-orders are also ahead of the curve our end.”

 

right now everything points towads the ps4 slim doing poorly at launch

Prinz those are some interesting points my friend. But I still think Sony will take Sept. Not by a huge Margin but I think they will take it none the less.



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TheBlackNaruto on 26 September 2016
jumpship1020 said:
JRPGfan said:

Going by Amazon they lost September. So far this gen, I dont think amazon has once been wrong about who takes NPD's.

Also of those 4 advantages you listed, I think only the 4k blu-ray (tv) one is right.

all ps4 exclusives are delayed. so xbox has gears and  froza, sony again has no (big) excluive titel this holiday
yes, bigger than cod. MS has BF1, Titanfall, Fifa and Madden. Sony only has CoD
the ps4 slim is more powerful? it does not even have 4k or any other benefit over the original ps4. more powerful? if you care about power, you go for the ps4 pro. not a single person will choose a ps4 slim over xbox one s due to being slightly more powerful. they will go for the ps4 pro or don't care about it
better games in 2017? well 2017 exlusive lineup for xb1 and ps4 is on par or personal preference.

None of those games come close to COD to be honest. So in truth Sony has the biggest 3rd party marketing easily. And why do you say they have no big exclusives? Do the ones they have already released this year not count or something?



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RJ_Sizzle on 26 September 2016
jumpship1020 said:
nanzano said:

I was expecting wilder M$ deals the last week.... They really schould stop focusing on "advertising" how the unexistant spec speculated scorpio is more powerfull than the ps4Pro, doing more true 4k than it and start thinking about  strategies to win this holiday season lol.  

they already did and have a great strategy to win the holidays

biggest exlusive lineup
biggest 3rd party marketing deals
best console for $299
4k blu-ray and streaming for all the 4k tv buyer (and there will be a lot of them!) this holiday

they already won july and august npd. they will win september and october npd.
they'll probably lose november, but have a good shot at december

q2 2016 xbox one sales will be > ps4 sales

If MS is outselling Sony in the US this holiday, it's going to be no more due to the usual price drops and giveaways. Out of every strategy MS has, it always falls back on that. It's the only current gen console you can buy for $229, marked down from $500 since its debut.

MS's current strategy is weird. They're playing a war of attrition by marking down their console just enough so it can move them ahead of the competition on hometurf. Which seems to have a rubberband effect. Yet, they probably wouldn't have put themselves in this position by announcing another far more powerful console a year away. So now they're both trying to play keepaway with Sony by announcing the Scorpio early to try to prevent Sony from gaining ground this holiday, and selling consoles at a loss too so they can try and keep the Xbox brand on people's minds with monthly sales victories in the US.

And this method has GOT to be expensive. Not to mention it seems like a lot of effort for the fact we're not even sure if MS will be that comminted to Xbox One after a while if Scorpio takes off.



celador on 26 September 2016

Ah, the whole Playstation has no exclusives narrative is back. Especially seeing as X1 doesn't have any actual exclusives anymore.

When are you going to give up with this alt accounts Prinz?



GribbleGrunger on 26 September 2016

3 hours since last update:

HARDWARE
#10 XB1s-500gb halo Bundle (up 15)
#21 PS4 Black Ops III Bundle (down 3)
#24 PS4 Pro (down 2)*
#53 PS4s UC4 Bundle (down 3)
#67 PS4 UC4 Bundle (down 6)
#76 XB1s-2tb (up 9)
#83 XB1s-1tb Madden Bundle (re-entry)

Does not affect this month (*)

SOFTWARE (pre-orders only)
#06 XB1 FH3 (same)
#07 3DS Pokemon Sun (up 1)
#08 3DS Pokemon Moon (up 1)
#14 XB1 FH3 Ultimate Edition (up 1)

PS4: 5 SKUs, 4 in the top 100 / 2 in the top 50 / 0 in the top 20 / 0 in the top 10
XB1: 15 SKUs, 2 in the top 100 / 1 in the top 50 / 1 in the top 20 / 1 in the top 10

Please ... for the love of God ... please wait a while before you nail yourself to any specific statement ...



 

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jumpship1020 on 26 September 2016
celador said:
Ah, the whole Playstation has no exclusives narrative is back. Especially seeing as X1 doesn't have any actual exclusives anymore.

When are you going to give up with this alt accounts Prinz?

and the defence force is back as always, when some1 is saying the harsh truth about the beloved playstation platform
sony does not have any excluvises this holiday.
microsft has gears. probably the biggest exculsive overall, if they can surpass halo this time.

 

edit: the xbox one s halo bundle is sold out at amazon.com
they already cleared stock. BF1 and minecraft will be the main bundle this holiday season



TheBlackNaruto on 26 September 2016
GribbleGrunger said:

3 hours since last update:

HARDWARE
#10 XB1s-500gb halo Bundle (up 15)
#21 PS4 Black Ops III Bundle (down 3)
#24 PS4 Pro (down 2)*
#53 PS4s UC4 Bundle (down 3)
#67 PS4 UC4 Bundle (down 6)
#76 XB1s-2tb (up 9)
#83 XB1s-1tb Madden Bundle (re-entry)

Does not affect this month (*)

SOFTWARE (pre-orders only)
#06 XB1 FH3 (same)
#07 3DS Pokemon Sun (up 1)
#08 3DS Pokemon Moon (up 1)
#14 XB1 FH3 Ultimate Edition (up 1)

PS4: 5 SKUs, 4 in the top 100 / 2 in the top 50 / 0 in the top 20 / 0 in the top 10
XB1: 15 SKUs, 2 in the top 100 / 1 in the top 50 / 1 in the top 20 / 1 in the top 10

Please ... for the love of God ... please wait a while before you nail yourself to any specific statement ...

Big jump fpr the XB1s!



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poklane on 26 September 2016
jumpship1020 said:
celador said:
Ah, the whole Playstation has no exclusives narrative is back. Especially seeing as X1 doesn't have any actual exclusives anymore.

When are you going to give up with this alt accounts Prinz?

and the defence force is back as always, when some1 is saying the harsh truth about the beloved playstation platform
sony does not have any excluvises this holiday.
microsft has gears. probably the biggest exculsive overall, if they can surpass halo this time.

 

edit: the xbox one s halo bundle is sold out at amazon.com
they already cleared stock. BF1 and minecraft will be the main bundle this holiday season

Congrats, Microsoft has another sequel pushed into the holidays just to push consoles while Sony is launching a new AAA IP in February. What's the last time Microsoft developed a new AAA IP?



celador on 26 September 2016
jumpship1020 said:
celador said:
Ah, the whole Playstation has no exclusives narrative is back. Especially seeing as X1 doesn't have any actual exclusives anymore.

When are you going to give up with this alt accounts Prinz?

and the defence force is back as always, when some1 is saying the harsh truth about the beloved playstation platform
sony does not have any excluvises this holiday.
microsft has gears. probably the biggest exculsive overall, if they can surpass halo this time.

 

edit: the xbox one s halo bundle is sold out at amazon.com
they already cleared stock. BF1 and minecraft will be the main bundle this holiday season

Sony have last Guardian and Gravity Rush 2, and stuff like RIGS for VR.

I'm afraid no matter how many times Xbox guys want to desperately tell themselves these games don't count and that Gears and Forza (again) is an exciting lineup, doesn't make it true.



RJ_Sizzle on 26 September 2016
jumpship1020 said:
celador said:
Ah, the whole Playstation has no exclusives narrative is back. Especially seeing as X1 doesn't have any actual exclusives anymore.

When are you going to give up with this alt accounts Prinz?

and the defence force is back as always, when some1 is saying the harsh truth about the beloved playstation platform
sony does not have any excluvises this holiday.
microsft has gears. probably the biggest exculsive overall, if they can surpass halo this time.

Riiight, and MS was just swimming in exclusives this year.

Gears has never been bigger than Halo, and the only way it's going to take off is if the game ends up scoring well over 90 on Metacritic. And it's not even getting half the hype Halo got. It'll sell well, but hold your horses.