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AsGryffynn said:
Intrinsic said:

Funny, you talk like the console generation started with the 360. If its rewlly all about power.....

What happened with the PS2/Xbox?

Why didn't do PS3 win right of the bat cause it definitely was the "better" equipment. 

Sorry to break it to you, but PS4 winning now has very little to do with its powah, and those business practices you mention that has the 360 owners you claim switched sides and are now dissatisfied? Well, you are onto something there. Just in reverse. 

But you are right about some of the other stuff you said. 

The PS2 doubled as a DVD that didn't need an add on to read movie and music discs (unlike the Xbox at the time). In between that, the reputation of its predecessor, the lack of variety and versatility in the Gamecube and the Xbox's expensive price tag, it enjoyed an advantage comparable to that of the Wii during it's gen. 

The PS3 was the better equipment only on paper. Most devs actually couldn't code for the damned thing, so most games actually performed worse on the PS3 unless it was an exclusive developed for the console. However, the potential meant that the PS3 had a longer lifespan than the older X360 which lacked the Blu ray player and extra computing power that could be tapped into if devs bothered to try (most didn't). 

It makes no sense for people to support the Xbox 360 and suddenly shift over to the PS4 unless the PS4 had more to offer. In between the DRM fiasco, lack of power, initially more expensive price tag and the smaller game library because of a combination of the aforementioned, a lot of former 360 owners jumped ship. If the Xbox One had been faster, cheaper and had a larger game library than the PS4, people wouldn't have jumped ship. Especially since Sony actually had a bad reputation for the PS3 having been a hassle. Sure, the RROD problem helf Microsoft bad, but it shouldn't have been this bad otherwise. 

Whether a lot of Outcasts used to be PS2 gamers who were apalled at the PS3's price tag and performance is meaningless, since the audience will flock back to the place with the best system. The point is the system cannot rely solely on power. Power, price tag and variety need to be satisfied, as well as a release date. If a better machine is offered at a lower price on the same day, there's no reason to buy the inferior one. 

ok. so you agree with me.



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Intrinsic said:
AsGryffynn said:

The PS2 doubled as a DVD that didn't need an add on to read movie and music discs (unlike the Xbox at the time). In between that, the reputation of its predecessor, the lack of variety and versatility in the Gamecube and the Xbox's expensive price tag, it enjoyed an advantage comparable to that of the Wii during it's gen. 

The PS3 was the better equipment only on paper. Most devs actually couldn't code for the damned thing, so most games actually performed worse on the PS3 unless it was an exclusive developed for the console. However, the potential meant that the PS3 had a longer lifespan than the older X360 which lacked the Blu ray player and extra computing power that could be tapped into if devs bothered to try (most didn't). 

It makes no sense for people to support the Xbox 360 and suddenly shift over to the PS4 unless the PS4 had more to offer. In between the DRM fiasco, lack of power, initially more expensive price tag and the smaller game library because of a combination of the aforementioned, a lot of former 360 owners jumped ship. If the Xbox One had been faster, cheaper and had a larger game library than the PS4, people wouldn't have jumped ship. Especially since Sony actually had a bad reputation for the PS3 having been a hassle. Sure, the RROD problem helf Microsoft bad, but it shouldn't have been this bad otherwise. 

Whether a lot of Outcasts used to be PS2 gamers who were apalled at the PS3's price tag and performance is meaningless, since the audience will flock back to the place with the best system. The point is the system cannot rely solely on power. Power, price tag and variety need to be satisfied, as well as a release date. If a better machine is offered at a lower price on the same day, there's no reason to buy the inferior one. 

ok. so you agree with me.

Power representing only one of many things needed to sell the system? Yes. 



Azzanation said:

Scorpio wont be aiming at 4k/60frames. It will be 4k/30 or 1080p-1440p/60frames. My future gaming PC will have 9tf and still cant achieve 4k/60 with everything on.

It should be able to do 1800P@30fps, possibly 60fps in a few titles and upscale it from there.

1800P = 2880x1800.
Flops also has no correllation with resolution or framerate.

I think the big thing we should see though is lower resolutions, higher framerate and then the use of frame reconstruction to achieve those higher resolutions whilst having a massive upkick in image quality.
Quantum Break was one of the first big tests of that technology and it was actually a massive success.

Libara said:

They would be shooting themselves in the foot a bit if they did. I don't think itl be over $499, let's not forget if any company can afford to take losses on hardware to obtain some marketshare... its MS with their reserves.

The Xbox One S will likely target the lower price bracket... Remember that console isn't going anywhere.

And just because Microsoft has cash in the bank, doesn't mean they will use it, they have shareholder wrath to worry about. :P

Madword said:

The question will be how much will a 6TF console parts have dropped in price by end of next year, I personally dont see them selling a console more than $599.

AMD are selling it's chips stupidly cheap at the moment, I think people will be surprised.

AsGryffynn said:

The PS3 was the better equipment only on paper. Most devs actually couldn't code for the damned thing, so most games actually performed worse on the PS3 unless it was an exclusive developed for the console. However, the potential meant that the PS3 had a longer lifespan than the older X360 which lacked the Blu ray player and extra computing power that could be tapped into if devs bothered to try (most didn't).

But wasn't the Xbox 360 on the market longer than the Playstation 3?
Kinda means the Xbox 360 had the longer lifespan.




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Normchacho said:
Snoopy said:

Xbox one was a success in many ways tho. It is outpacing the 360 last time I check despite their botch launch and stronger competition. Microsoft is giving us great exclusive software. Who cares if it is on PC? There are a lot of people out there who still prefer consoles over PC gaming (like me). You don't think the reason why PS4 sold over 40 million was because of Uncharted and Bloodborne do you?  And I can tell you right now Microsoft doesn't care if you buy a PC. They view window PC as xbox as well. They are selling their games and services on both devices and they are making it easy to port PC games to Xbox one and vice versa so in a way Microsoft install base is bigger than Sony's .

A few things.

First off, Your talk about Microsoft having a larger install base than Sony requires some iffy logic to justify and doesn't have anything to do with Scorpio.

Secondly, the Xbox One isn't outpacing the 360. Total sales are ahead, but it's lead has dropped by half a million consoles in the last 12 months and were coming up to a point where 360 sales were very strong.

Between July and the end of 2008 the 360 sold 7,796,789 units while during the same months last year the Xbox One sold 6,268,479 units. Also keep in mind that the Xbox One has been down YoY.

Third. You haven't give a reason as to why someone who didn't want an Xbox One would want the Scorpio.

1. It does have a larger install base technically because of windows gaming which is similar to xbox regarding architecture, api,os,service ect and Microsoft considers it an xbox pretty much.

2. It is still outpacing 360 overall as we speak is it not? Besides, you can't under estimate xbox slim (cheapest 4k blu ray player pretty much and HDR gaming) and of course xbox scropio which will attract hardcore gamers who want the strongest console by a large margin.

3. If you want reasons to buy an xbox scropio it will have the big AAA exclusive console games and new ips. Also the fact is Scorpio will be the most powerful console on the market. Those are two huge reasons to pick up an xbox scorpio. Not to mention Xbox Scorpio will more than likely work with oculus which a lot of people consider the best vr experience by far right now and it will be the cheapest way to experience Oculus. 



Snoopy said:
Normchacho said:

A few things.

First off, Your talk about Microsoft having a larger install base than Sony requires some iffy logic to justify and doesn't have anything to do with Scorpio.

Secondly, the Xbox One isn't outpacing the 360. Total sales are ahead, but it's lead has dropped by half a million consoles in the last 12 months and were coming up to a point where 360 sales were very strong.

Between July and the end of 2008 the 360 sold 7,796,789 units while during the same months last year the Xbox One sold 6,268,479 units. Also keep in mind that the Xbox One has been down YoY.

Third. You haven't give a reason as to why someone who didn't want an Xbox One would want the Scorpio.

1. It does have a larger install base technically because of windows gaming which is similar to xbox regarding architecture, api,os,service ect and Microsoft considers it an xbox pretty much.

2. It is still outpacing 360 overall as we speak is it not? Besides, you can't under estimate xbox slim (cheapest 4k blu ray player pretty much and HDR gaming) and of course xbox scropio which will attract hardcore gamers who want the strongest console by a large margin.

3. If you want reasons to buy an xbox scropio it will have the big AAA exclusive console games and new ips. Also the fact is Scorpio will be the most powerful console on the market. Those are two huge reasons to pick up an xbox scorpio. Not to mention Xbox Scorpio will more than likely work with oculus which a lot of people consider the best vr experience by far right now and it will be the cheapest way to experience Oculus. 

1. But counting any and every Windows 10 device as part of the "Xbox userbase" renders the term "Xbox userbase" practially meaningless.  "Look! The Xbox userbase is a billion people! I mean, most of them don't play games beyond solitare or candy crush, and the vast (like, really vast) majority of those who do actually play games do so through means that have nothing to do with us...But look! A billion people could possibly buy our stuff if they wanted to!"

2. Lets pretend there are two swimming pools that are being filled up. One, currently has 10,000 gallons of water in it. The other, 12,000 gallons. The first pool is being filled at a rate of 1,000 gallons a minute, the other at a rate of 500 gallons a minute. The first pool, despite not having as much water in it, is outpacing the second.

To your point about the Xbox One somehow coming back to outpace the 360 again. I think you vastly overestimate he effect that either the Xbox One S or the Scorpio are going to have on overall sales. It needs to sell an EXTRA 255K units a month over the last 6 months of this year just to keep pace with the 360 compared to what it did last year. That's 24.4% better than it did last year, when the first half of this year it's down 8.9%.

Last year, if you remember, the Xbox One had Halo 5, Forza 6, ROTR, Gears Anniversary, and no major PS4 games to go up against. This year, it's going to have to compete with the slim PS4, PSVR, and possibly even the 4.5.

3. Sure, there will be people who want the most powerful console and don't feel like buying a PC. Though I will remind you that the question was, why would someone not already interested in an Xbox One buy the Scorpio. So you're point about having certain games doesn't really fit that.

Also, VR support is a good point. Though the Vive is pretty widely considered the best VR option right now, and I don't know if the Scorpio will have full PC Rift support considering that it will still likely be a good deal underpowered compared to an Oculus ready PC.



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I am really unhappy. I bought the Xbox One day one, the camera broke a day after the garantee expired, the controlet now only works wired. I think MS can brick acessories remotelly cause the bastards were very quick to try to sell me new ones when they broke.
And now they release a new console. Good for the people that do not have the big XBox One, but man, what a sucker I am.



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WagnerPaiva said:
I am really unhappy. I bought the Xbox One day one, the camera broke a day after the garantee expired, the controlet now only works wired. I think MS can brick acessories remotelly cause the bastards were very quick to try to sell me new ones when they broke.
And now they release a new console. Good for the people that do not have the big XBox One, but man, what a sucker I am.

Don't worry, you're not alone. My friend (former 360 owner) lovingly describes his Xbox One as "a VCR filled with turds" because like twice a week it will just disconnect both of his controllers and won't let him reconnect them until he restarts the system. To which MS support answered with "Sounds like you have a couple of bad controllers, you should buy new ones."

Now, every console is going to have it's issues, and I'm sure it's a small portion of Xbox Ones that have said issues. But hot damn Microsoft.



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Normchacho said:
WagnerPaiva said:
I am really unhappy. I bought the Xbox One day one, the camera broke a day after the garantee expired, the controlet now only works wired. I think MS can brick acessories remotelly cause the bastards were very quick to try to sell me new ones when they broke.
And now they release a new console. Good for the people that do not have the big XBox One, but man, what a sucker I am.

Don't worry, you're not alone. My friend (former 360 owner) lovingly describes his Xbox One as "a VCR filled with turds" because like twice a week it will just disconnect both of his controllers and won't let him reconnect them until he restarts the system. To which MS support answered with "Sounds like you have a couple of bad controllers, you should buy new ones."

Now, every console is going to have it's issues, and I'm sure it's a small portion of Xbox Ones that have said issues. But hot damn Microsoft.

Sounds a lot like mine =(



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Snoopy said:

1. It does have a larger install base technically because of windows gaming which is similar to xbox regarding architecture, api,os,service ect and Microsoft considers it an xbox pretty much.

Microsoft doesn't make cash on every game sold with Windows Gaming, if anything it's Valve that owns that userbase, not Microsoft.

WagnerPaiva said:
I am really unhappy. I bought the Xbox One day one, the camera broke a day after the garantee expired, the controlet now only works wired. I think MS can brick acessories remotelly cause the bastards were very quick to try to sell me new ones when they broke.
And now they release a new console. Good for the people that do not have the big XBox One, but man, what a sucker I am.


Giggity, conspiracy theory.

Well, the only way for the controller to exhibit any kind of "update" you actually need it cabled, I have actually updated my controllers several times without issue.

Like all things though, everything man-made is prone to fail eventually.

With that said, Microsoft would suffer such excessive internet vitriol if they were found "sabotaging" hardware that is simply wouldn't be financially feasible for them to do it... And let's face it, lots of people are chipping away at the Xbox and finding all it's hidden secrets constantly.




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Pemalite said:
Azzanation said:

Scorpio wont be aiming at 4k/60frames. It will be 4k/30 or 1080p-1440p/60frames. My future gaming PC will have 9tf and still cant achieve 4k/60 with everything on.

It should be able to do 1800P@30fps, possibly 60fps in a few titles and upscale it from there.

1800P = 2880x1800.
Flops also has no correllation with resolution or framerate.

I think the big thing we should see though is lower resolutions, higher framerate and then the use of frame reconstruction to achieve those higher resolutions whilst having a massive upkick in image quality.
Quantum Break was one of the first big tests of that technology and it was actually a massive success.

Libara said:

They would be shooting themselves in the foot a bit if they did. I don't think itl be over $499, let's not forget if any company can afford to take losses on hardware to obtain some marketshare... its MS with their reserves.

The Xbox One S will likely target the lower price bracket... Remember that console isn't going anywhere.

And just because Microsoft has cash in the bank, doesn't mean they will use it, they have shareholder wrath to worry about. :P

Madword said:

The question will be how much will a 6TF console parts have dropped in price by end of next year, I personally dont see them selling a console more than $599.

AMD are selling it's chips stupidly cheap at the moment, I think people will be surprised.

AsGryffynn said:

The PS3 was the better equipment only on paper. Most devs actually couldn't code for the damned thing, so most games actually performed worse on the PS3 unless it was an exclusive developed for the console. However, the potential meant that the PS3 had a longer lifespan than the older X360 which lacked the Blu ray player and extra computing power that could be tapped into if devs bothered to try (most didn't).

But wasn't the Xbox 360 on the market longer than the Playstation 3?
Kinda means the Xbox 360 had the longer lifespan.

But it was older. I think the lifespan will be roughly the same, but the advanced tech means the PS3 can still cope with some of the advancements in game development nowadays.