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HoangNhatAnh on 27 July 2016

Lol at this thread, Nvidia Shield use Tegra chip that outperformed PS3/Xbox 360 and wii u, it even support Unreal Engine 4, and you have to remember Nvidia Shield came out last year with price point 200$, by the time NX come out, it will be 2 years, this is a handheld that is at least 2 times stronger than Wii U, the strongest handheld ever made with price point 200-250$, but yeah because Nintendoom LOL



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zorg1000 on 27 July 2016
thismeintiel said:
zero129 said:

3DS has sold more units then the PS4. Nintendo has been very sucessful in the handheld market unlike Sony.

This is Nintendos Nextgen handheld and a pretty powerful one at that. IT will have plenty of Japan support.

Also what Nintendo Handheld has had bad sales? i cant think of any. I mean Nintendo is launchin new hardware into a market they own. So i think they will be fine...

Seems like too many people are forgetting the history of 3DS, and the state of the HH market.  It also started out very poorly when it was priced at $249.  They had to drop it to $169, which lost them quite a bit of money, for it to actually start performing well. 

You seem to be forgetting the history of 3DS as well, so many people blame its early poor sales on the price but seem to forget that it had an awful software library and poor marketing at the time.

From Nintendo the only 2 major releases for 3DS pre-price cut were Nintendogs and a 13 year old Zelda remaster while the biggest 3rd party release was a 3 year old Street Fighter port.

In terms of marketing, it was initially widely believed to be nothing more than a DS revision with a 3D screen.

Im not saying the price wasnt a factor but we cant say 3DS sold poorly at $249, therefore NX will too. A strong software lineup and affective marketing can make the difference whether a device is seen as too expensive or priced just right.

As for HH market dead/dying, launches aligned 3DS is only a few million behind PS4 & over 15 million ahead of XBO.



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binary solo on 27 July 2016
hershel_layton said:


We don't know what the NX is. it can be a Porno VR headset with a built in One Punch body pillow. It can be a toaster. Heck, it can be the PS4 with the Nintendo logo slapped on.

Unless we get ACTUAL information, these types of opinions are useless. it'll either fail or do good. that's obvious sherlock.

Hate to be rude about it, but NX opinions are getting milked more than the FNAF series. Come on people, we've heard close to every opinion, speculation, and rumour that can possibly exist.

Well we know it's not a toaster...or at least we know it's not JUST a toaster. But I like where you're going with the porno VR headset idea. Probably don't need more than X360 levels of power for it to sell a shit ton.



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binary solo on 27 July 2016
zero129 said:
thismeintiel said:

Let's not kid ourselves here.  Without the Wii fluke, Nintendo has been declining in the home console market.  You can try to reason this however makes you feel better, but it's a cold, hard fact.  The core market has progressively moved on from Nintendo once the PS entered the scene.  They were able to gain a lot of casuals with the Wii, but now that mobile gaming has stolen them away, that model isn't going to work anymore.  The Wii U's, which is basically Wii 2.0 (underpowered, but cheap HW, that uses a gimmicky controller) lack of sales illustrates this extremely well.

The NX is basically Nintendo's last ditch effort to be relevant HW-wise.  They are trying to combine their home and console markets with one console.  The problem is, if the new rumors are true, than they have done it in the WORST way possible.  Many were speculating that NX would be a home console that fell somewhere around the XBO, powerwise.  May have been a little less or a little more powerful.  It would also have a controller that doubled as a handheld.  While I don't think it would have been successful, at all, it at least would have allowed them to have 3rd party support for a couple of years, until the PS5 came out and devs moved away from the PS4/Neo. 

What we have now, again, if the rumors are true, is a gaming tablet with detachable controllers.  That means the power level will be even less than what was speculated before.  Maybe half an XBO.  3rd parties aren't going to want to take time to make AAA ports for an console that underpowered.  This is already being proven by the fact that the NX comes out in 7 months, yet we only have like 4 games announced for it.  And sure, it being weaker will mean it'll be cheaper, but its weaker HW and lack of 3rd party support for AAA, I don't see it having a very positive reception from core gamers.

3DS has sold more units then the PS4. 

 

That statement has about a 1 year expiry date on it.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

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hershel_layton on 27 July 2016
binary solo said:
hershel_layton said:


We don't know what the NX is. it can be a Porno VR headset with a built in One Punch body pillow. It can be a toaster. Heck, it can be the PS4 with the Nintendo logo slapped on.

Unless we get ACTUAL information, these types of opinions are useless. it'll either fail or do good. that's obvious sherlock.

Hate to be rude about it, but NX opinions are getting milked more than the FNAF series. Come on people, we've heard close to every opinion, speculation, and rumour that can possibly exist.

Well we know it's not a toaster...or at least we know it's not JUST a toaster. But I like where you're going with the porno VR headset idea. Probably don't need more than X360 levels of power for it to sell a shit ton.

Include detachable breasts and butts and I'm guessing 200 million yearly sales.



 

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thismeintiel on 27 July 2016
zorg1000 said:
thismeintiel said:

Seems like too many people are forgetting the history of 3DS, and the state of the HH market.  It also started out very poorly when it was priced at $249.  They had to drop it to $169, which lost them quite a bit of money, for it to actually start performing well. 

You seem to be forgetting the history of 3DS as well, so many people blame its early poor sales on the price but seem to forget that it had an awful software library and poor marketing at the time.

From Nintendo the only 2 major releases for 3DS pre-price cut were Nintendogs and a 13 year old Zelda remaster while the biggest 3rd party release was a 3 year old Street Fighter port.

In terms of marketing, it was initially widely believed to be nothing more than a DS revision with a 3D screen.

Im not saying the price wasnt a factor but we cant say 3DS sold poorly at $249, therefore NX will too. A strong software lineup and affective marketing can make the difference whether a device is seen as too expensive or priced just right.

As for HH market dead/dying, launches aligned 3DS is only a few million behind PS4 & over 15 million ahead of XBO.

Nope.  Sales show us that price was the #1 reason.  After it dropped to $169 on August 12th,  sales skyrocketed from 36K the week before to 350K the week of the price cut.  It wasn't even until the holiday that it got Mario Kart and 3d Mario Land, so SW didn't account for those boosts.  So, it's save to say that people who are used to paying $150-$180 for a Nintendo handheld, aren't interested in paying $249-$299 for one.

If I'm correct, the 3DS is something like 7M behind the PS4, launches aligned.  Of course, the PS4 launched at $399 and is only $50 cheaper almost 3 years after launch.  The 3DS, on the other hand, started out $150 cheaper and got a $80 cut less than 6 months after launch.



 

MDMAlliance on 27 July 2016
CGI-Quality said:
UltimateGamer1982 said:
Well this didn't take long. For all we know it could be another Wii phenomenon. Let's wait and see before making such assumptions.

There's nothing wrong with the predictions in either direction . That's the very point of speculation.

The problem is that people are not really talking like it's speculation.  Many of these people are acting like it's just the truth.  Word choice/phrasing is the key here (like saying NX will flop or will fail rather than may).



thismeintiel on 27 July 2016
zero129 said:
thismeintiel said:

Seems like too many people are forgetting the history of 3DS, and the state of the HH market.  It also started out very poorly when it was priced at $249.  They had to drop it to $169, which lost them quite a bit of money, for it to actually start performing well.  Even after that, the 3DS will still be their poorest selling HH.  It will most likely sell 65M-75M, less than the PSP sold, which had the highly successful DS to compete with.  The HH market is dying/dead. 

So, do you honestly think a NX that is less powerful than a XBO, and most likely priced at $299 will see a better start than the $249 3DS?  Highly doubt it.  And I don't think Nintendo is going to be able to drop it to $169 if sales are stagnant.

Also, a console that launched 2 1/2 years earlier has sold more?  Shocker.  Hope you'll be less shocked when the PS4 easily passes it, and then some.

This is like saying just cos the PS4 isnt selling PS2 level hardware Its fucked...

 

Only if you look at the small picture.  However, step back and look at the large one.  Last gen was the PEAK of HH gaming.  We had the best selling HH ever, the DS, sell ~154M.  And we also had the best selling non-Nintendo HH ever, the PSP, sell ~82M+ (more than the GBA.)  That's over 236M.  And what do we have this gen?  The 3DS, which may not even sell half of what the 3DS sold, will be Nintendo's worst selling HH ever.  And the Vita may not even hit 20M.  There's no other way to look at it but that mobile gaming is killing the HH market.

Looking at home consoles is quite different.  We are moving back into the more usual model where there is a clear winner of the gen, with less cross over between platform customers, and with the other 2 trailing behind it.  The PS4 may not reach the PS2's total, but there is little question that it won't pass the PS3's and PS1's.  Not when it hasn't even dropped more than $50 from launch almost 3 years ago, or hit the magical $299 and $199 price points.  And while the XBO certainly won't pass the 360, it will be passing the OG XB.  All in all, I think we will see total consoles this gen be very similar in number to Gen 6, which saw the peak of the core gaming market.

This gen also proved that millions are willing to pay $399 for a console.  It also proved not many people are even willing to pay $249 for a HH.  For Nintendo's sake, they better price the NX for $199, or lower.  Anything higher and I don't think a lot are going to jump on.



 

Soundwave on 27 July 2016
thismeintiel said:
zero129 said:

This is like saying just cos the PS4 isnt selling PS2 level hardware Its fucked...

 

Only if you look at the small picture.  However, step back and look at the large one.  Last gen was the PEAK of HH gaming.  We had the best selling HH ever, the DS, sell ~154M.  And we also had the best selling non-Nintendo HH ever, the PSP, sell ~82M+ (more than the GBA.)  That's over 236M.  And what do we have this gen?  The 3DS, which may not even sell half of what the 3DS sold, will be Nintendo's worst selling HH ever.  And the Vita may not even hit 20M.  There's no other way to look at it but that mobile gaming is killing the HH market.

Looking at home consoles is quite different.  We are moving back into the more usual model where there is a clear winner of the gen, with less cross over between platform customers, and with the other 2 trailing behind it.  The PS4 may not reach the PS2's total, but there is little question that it won't pass the PS3's and PS1's.  Not when it hasn't even dropped more than $50 from launch almost 3 years ago, or hit the magical $299 and $199 price points.  And while the XBO certainly won't pass the 360, it will be passing the OG XB.  All in all, I think we will see total consoles this gen be very similar in number to Gen 6, which saw the peak of the core gaming market.

This gen also proved that millions are willing to pay $399 for a console.  It also proved not many people are even willing to pay $249 for a HH.  For Nintendo's sake, they better price the NX for $199, or lower.  Anything higher and I don't think a lot are going to jump on.

3DS wasn't a console replacement + potential Android tablet in one. Value proposition is different. 

That's the big difference, it came out right before the mobile chipset boom, the level of mobile tech available today is light years beyond what was around back then for an affordable price. 

$299.99 would be reasonable for the type of device Nintendo is going for. 



thismeintiel on 27 July 2016
zero129 said:
thismeintiel said:

Only if you look at the small picture.  However, step back and look at the large one.  Last gen was the PEAK of HH gaming.  We had the best selling HH ever, the DS, sell ~154M.  And we also had the best selling non-Nintendo HH ever, the PSP, sell ~82M+ (more than the GBA.)  That's over 236M.  And what do we have this gen?  The 3DS, which may not even sell half of what the 3DS sold, will be Nintendo's worst selling HH ever.  And the Vita may not even hit 20M.  There's no other way to look at it but that mobile gaming is killing the HH market.

Looking at home consoles is quite different.  We are moving back into the more usual model where there is a clear winner of the gen, with less cross over between platform customers, and with the other 2 trailing behind it.  The PS4 may not reach the PS2's total, but there is little question that it won't pass the PS3's and PS1's.  Not when it hasn't even dropped more than $50 from launch almost 3 years ago, or hit the magical $299 and $199 price points.  And while the XBO certainly won't pass the 360, it will be passing the OG XB.  All in all, I think we will see total consoles this gen be very similar in number to Gen 6, which saw the peak of the core gaming market.

This gen also proved that millions are willing to pay $399 for a console.  It also proved not many people are even willing to pay $249 for a HH.  For Nintendo's sake, they better price the NX for $199, or lower.  Anything higher and I don't think a lot are going to jump on.

You lead right into where i thought you would. Now replace all them PS consoles with Nintendo handhelds and you will see why your wrong about NX.

Uh, did you even see that I placed the Vita, a PS console, along with the 3DS to illustrate the dying HH market?  Mobile gaming is a new market that is taking over HH gaming.  Casuals have moved on.  The core market, however, is sticking with home consoles.  There's really nothing that has replaced them.  The only thing that competes with consoles is PC, but those have lived side by side for decades.  That's why you have millions who are still fine with paying $399 for a console, but millions who refused to buy the 3DS until it was under $170.