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thismeintiel said:
RolStoppable said:
Great reasoning. As always, I love the chart which shows Nintendo's continual decline in the home console market, even though it doesn't.

Let's not kid ourselves here.  Without the Wii fluke, Nintendo has been declining in the home console market.  You can try to reason this however makes you feel better, but it's a cold, hard fact.  The core market has progressively moved on from Nintendo once the PS entered the scene.  They were able to gain a lot of casuals with the Wii, but now that mobile gaming has stolen them away, that model isn't going to work anymore.  The Wii U's, which is basically Wii 2.0 (underpowered, but cheap HW, that uses a gimmicky controller) lack of sales illustrates this extremely well.

The NX is basically Nintendo's last ditch effort to be relevant HW-wise.  They are trying to combine their home and console markets with one console.  The problem is, if the new rumors are true, than they have done it in the WORST way possible.  Many were speculating that NX would be a home console that fell somewhere around the XBO, powerwise.  May have been a little less or a little more powerful.  It would also have a controller that doubled as a handheld.  While I don't think it would have been successful, at all, it at least would have allowed them to have 3rd party support for a couple of years, until the PS5 came out and devs moved away from the PS4/Neo. 

What we have now, again, if the rumors are true, is a gaming tablet with detachable controllers.  That means the power level will be even less than what was speculated before.  Maybe half an XBO.  3rd parties aren't going to want to take time to make AAA ports for an console that underpowered.  This is already being proven by the fact that the NX comes out in 7 months, yet we only have like 4 games announced for it.  And sure, it being weaker will mean it'll be cheaper, but its weaker HW and lack of 3rd party support for AAA, I don't see it having a very positive reception from core gamers.

Talk about denial and nintendo hating. The wii was amazing and stole dozens of millions of customers from sony. Deal with it.



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onionberry said:

Basicly.



Goodnightmoon said:
daredevil.shark said:
At this stage big third party developers are almost certain to avoid NX. They want hardcore gamers and NX is probably not for that market. Plus PS4 Neo and Xbox Scorpio will make it obsolete soon.

They want money, they don't give a shit about how hardcore you are.

They will loose money by porting into Nintendo system. That's the reality. But no point of debating since it's difficult for some Nintendo enthusiast to accept.



daredevil.shark said:
Goodnightmoon said:

They want money, they don't give a shit about how hardcore you are.

They will loose money by porting into Nintendo system. That's the reality. But no point of debating since it's difficult for some Nintendo enthusiast to accept.

You clearly said they want hardcore gamers, like downgrading the kind of gamer that buys a Nintendo console, same old polite way to make dumb divisions and bashing a comunity, nothing new, just as the way you use Nintendo Enthusiast as an euphemism right there. Just because you chose your words correctly to not make your post ban worthy doesn't mean its content is less toxic.

And the best part is how naive you are with the subject, they want hardcore gamers you say, as if they give a shit about how hardcore you are, if Ubisoft could sustain itself selling just cheap casual games on Ps4, then that's all they would be doing, they are not interested in how proud to be hardcore you are. If NX suceed then it will have third party games, casual or hardcore, simple as that, it doesn't need to be the same as the twins, 3DS had a bunch of third party games that aren't ports of anything but new games made for the console itself, NX is also their new handheld and Nintendo handhelds have never lacked third party support, so don't go so fast talking about realities when with the little we know it could easily end up punching you in the face soon.



Goodnightmoon said:
daredevil.shark said:

They will loose money by porting into Nintendo system. That's the reality. But no point of debating since it's difficult for some Nintendo enthusiast to accept.

You clearly said they want hardcore gamers, like downgrading the kind of gamer that buys a Nintendo console, same old polite way to make dumb divisions and bashing a comunity, nothing new, just as the way you use Nintendo Enthusiast as an euphemism right there. Just because you chose your words correctly to not make your post ban worthy doesn't mean its content is less toxic.

And the best part is how naive you are with the subject, they want hardcore gamers you say, as if they give a shit about how hardcore you are, if Ubisoft could sustain itself selling just cheap casual games on Ps4, then that's all they would be doing, they are not interested in how proud to be hardcore you are. If NX suceed then it will have third party games, casual or hardcore, simple as that, it doesn't need to be the same as the twins, 3DS had a bunch of third party games that aren't ports of anything but new games made for the console itself, NX is also their new handheld and Nintendo handhelds have never lacked third party support, so don't go so fast talking about realities when with the little we know it could easily end up punching you in the face soon.

Dude. That's some very inappropriate language. Don't know what to say.



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Switch!!!

Goodnightmoon said:

 if Ubisoft could sustain itself selling just cheap casual games on Ps4, then that's all they would be doing, they are not interested in how proud to be hardcore you are.


But if Nintendo finds that mobile games/going third party is a more profitable endeavour for them, they're totally not exiting the hardware space,  right? They'll totally keep churning out platform after platform even if they could be making more money doing other things, right?

It's like publicly traded companies exist to make as much profit as possible.



SpokenTruth said:
potato_hamster said:


But if Nintendo finds that mobile games/going third party is a more profitable endeavour for them, they're totally not exiting the hardware space,  right? They'll totally keep churning out platform after platform even if they could be making more money doing other things, right?

It's like publicly traded companies exist to make as much profit as possible.

Because companies only stick to one division that is exceptionally profitable, right?

While you're not wrong, I'm not talking about Nintendo focusing exclusively on one division, am I?  It's  just pivoting their game development teams to make games on non-Nintendo hardware, and reducing/eliminating/refocusing their hardware development division, and using those freed resources to bolster a more successful division. They would still have various revenue streams including console video game development, mobile game development, novelty hardware development (NES Classic), merchandise/toys, liscencing etc.

People need to remember, that like Ubisoft, Sony, Microsoft, Blizzard, Activision, and EA, Nintendo isn't a charity. They have stake holders that expect a certain return on their investment. They're not going to keep investing in things with minimal or negative returns when they could be investing in other revenue streams that are making money and could be making more. Nintendo isn't going to keep making new platforms just because their dwindling fanbase wants them to. Besides - going third party isn't just sticking to one division, is it?

There's a reason why Sony isn't creating a successor to the Vita. There's a reason why Sony no longer makes PCs. There's a reason why Microsoft didn't make a successor to the Zune. But Nintendo no longer making home consoles when their last one was less successful than the Vita - that's ridiculous to some.



SpokenTruth said:
potato_hamster said:

But Nintendo no longer making home consoles when their last one was less successful than the Vita - that's ridiculous to some.

How are you defining success?  I certainly hope it's not units sold.   After all the talk of stake holders, I'm surprised you went there.

Why? Both platforms likely lost their respective developers money. Both had remarkably similar total hardware and software sales. Neither platform did much to grow their brand or put their hardware in the hands of new users. It was generally accepted by their existing fanbase and pretty much no one else. Nintendo's boat in the home console space is very similar to Sony's boat in the handheld console space.