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Well its Murica and they love their guns. So perhaps they think that is the solution to every problem.



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sc94597 said:

If we could magically wave a wand and eliminate all of the guns that exist, sure. But we can't. There has to be a means of enforcing it. And that means police going door to door confiscating weapons. Even then they wouldn't succeed. 

Drug and Alcohol prohibition both lead to organized crime. You can be sure that there will be organized crime surrounding the gun trade if prohibition were to take place. The demand in the U.S is too high, among criminals and non-criminals alike. 

There lies an issue with culture in the USA in general. The USA seems dependent on guns. You can't just remove them which is why people are asking for tigher controls. Even a law-abiding citizen can still get a gun with tigher controls because they'll pass the controls. Criminals won't care as they'll get the guns regardless but with tighter controls, it'll be harder (more expensive) and that's what you should be aiming for.



Hmm, pie.

thismeintiel said:
NobleTeam360 said:

That's what I've been wondering since last night lol. BLM was protesting peacefully, and somehow i see comments everywhere claiming they should be marked as a terrorist group and other stupid shit. 

Considering many BLM protestors get angry and hostile (even booing politicians and forcing them to apologize) whenever some say ALM, which, yes, includes black lives, it's not hard to conclude that many value black lives over any other.  Saying some of the nastiest things to anyone who question them.  It also doesn't help that in some of these situations they have jumped to conclusions and perpetuate falsehoods about the situation.  "Hands up, don't shoot" comes to mind. 

Of course, I'm sure there are plenty that are part of it who are more even-minded.  It just seems some of the people they send to be spokesmen for them don't come off the best. 

Yeah I'm not defending BLM by any means, I personally think the  group is a complete joke. 



TheBlackNaruto said:
thismeintiel said:

Lmao.  Thanks for proving the point of my previous post.  Perpetuating the lie.  Or half truth.  However you want to put it.  Say something like he was just shot while playing black.  Of course, you would leave out that it was a realistic gun that the kid had puposely taken the orange tip off, so at any distant you wouldn't have been able to tell it was a toy.  And that he was taking it out and brandishing it like a thug, threatening to "shoot"  passersby.  The cops were called because people thought it was a real gun.  They pulled up and demanded he put it down, but instead he decided to not listen, so they shot him.  It's tragic, but act like a thug and you'll die like one.

As for the recent one, I don't have all the info on that one.  So, you know, I'm not going to do a rash thing and choose "sides" quite yet.  Better to wait until we get the cruiser video.  If it was the 100% fault of cop, he should be fired and face charges, as he will.  People are allowing their agenda to blind common sense.  It could be the Michael Brown thing all over again.  Of course, it doesn't help that we have one of the key race agitators as President.

So me stating that a 12yr old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park proves your post huh? So because it was a realistic looking gun that makes it all okay that he was shot and killed. It makes it okay because people thought it was real yet there had been no issues no shots fired nothing of the sort. Heck I have seen many kids playing with toy guns that looked real talking about I am going to shoot you etc but I didn't go straight to saying look at this thug or this kid acting like a thug....because guess what it was just a child playing but I guess that is just me. To you though a child playing is the equivalant of "acting like a thug so die like a thug"....yeeeeeaaaaahhhh that makes perfect sense and clearly proves your point of perpeuating a lie because none of what I said was a fact.  YET you LABELED this boy as thug because he was playing lol. Or did nou not label him as one but just added that part just for the heck of it? No other options than to shoot to kill because this was clearly someone acting like a thug and deserving to die like one? Come on man you can't be serious. And even so again I ask because someone is doing something wrong they deserve to be shot and killed?

Also where did I state that he was shot while being black? Because I gave you two examples of people not doing anything wrong that just means shot while being black? Doesn't show that cops just handled situations poorly just shot while being black? wasn't just countering your post about them not doing anything stupid/wrong that clearly deserved death. Come on now things like this are inexcusable and should not have happened. Esepcially in these two situations that I just gave you.

Yes, you proved my point.  Like many who jump to "cop bad, 'criminal' just made a mistake" mentality, you HAVE to present only one side of the story or half of it to gain support.  If people knew the whole truth, they would not be so quick to support your side. 

And I never said the kid was a thug, only he was pretending to be one.  Which means he may have looked up to them, so who knows what his future would have brought.  But either way, you brandish a gun, act like a thug, and don't put it down when a cop tells you to (yes, even if you're white), and you will get shot.  It also doesn't help that he was all by himself, not playing with any other kid.  If he had been, instead of threatening random people who walked by (which is NOT an acceptable form of play, by any standards), then he'd most likely be alive.

The problem with your side is you see everything in hindsight.  Which is 20/20 as they say.  You don't think those cops felt miserable when they found out it was a toy?  Of course they did.  It probably still haunts them.  But, there was NO way for them to know.  And the second he won't put it away and points it at them, you're damn right they fired.  You would have done the same damn thing, though I doubt you would admit it.

As for your last paragraph, let's be honest here.  The only reason we are even hearing about any of these instances is because the victims are black.  It allows people to push an agenda and even more vile people to make their living.  Without the race war, many would be out of a job.  For example, had that child been white and the cops black, which I'm sure has happened plenty of times, it would have been buried as a local story for us to never hear of again.  Of course, I would have had the same opinion, regardless of race.



The Fury said:

There lies an issue with culture in the USA in general. The USA seems dependent on guns. You can't just remove them which is why people are asking for tigher controls. Even a law-abiding citizen can still get a gun with tigher controls because they'll pass the controls. Criminals won't care as they'll get the guns regardless but with tighter controls, it'll be harder (more expensive) and that's what you should be aiming for.

Or instead of focusing on roundabout ways to make guns expensive (increasing the profitability of their sale -> expanding the illegal market) we can just focus on the main cause of the violent crime - rethinking drug prohibition. As I said in another post, 63% of gun crime is criminal on criminal, and 49% of homicides are by gang members. Instead of treating drug usage as a criminal offense, we'd go a long way by decriminalizing it and focusing on rehabilitation of drug addicts. This would reduce the profitability and dependence on gangs for the lives of many minorities, keep families intact, and reduce income inequality between races. It would bring vigor back to the lives of inner-city black populations, and within a generation we can expect homicide rates to approach European levels (as they are already consistently declining  - by 50% for example from 1990.) 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/21/americans-are-aging-but-not-as-fast-as-people-in-germany-italy-and-japan/ft_15-05-19_agingmap/

Another thing to consider is the demographics of the U.S versus Europe. European countries have older populations that don't murder. That is probably the main reason why homicide rates have declined since the 1950's in all countries, more than anything else. With the post-war booms there were young people who commit crimes, and now there are older people. The U.S has a median age four years younger than Europe, and isn't so old-age heavy. The effect is even more pronounced if we look at specific countries in Europe and states in the U.S. 

Here is a great article on the correlation between Age Structure and Homicide Rates. 


http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~japhill/JRCD_2006.pdf




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TheBlackNaruto said:
thismeintiel said:

And what about the many more white people who are shot by cops?  Why aren't those broadcast on the news?  Why don't news organizations edit video or only show one side of the story for them?  Have coverage of them for days?  Or the other minorities for that matter?  When's the last time we had a week/month long discussion cause some Asian/Hispanic/Arab thug charged at a cop and got shot, yet we blamed the cop?  You're getting played and you don't even know it.

 I am fine YOU are missing the point. I watch and follow all of the news of white people being shot and killed by these trigger happy cops that are not properly trained. I know more whites have been killed by cops than blacks I pay attention to all of that. I fear for every race when dealing with cops now a day. But because of the history of blacks with cops and things that have been going on behind the scenes far before social media and smart phones this is having a bigger effect because it is something that has been talked about and said to be going on since before either of us were born yet pushed to the side like it was nothing. I know how it is to be profiled and targeted by officers and it is not cool. You can't say something isn't true just because you have never experienced it. I am not one of the it is all about race people I am one of the these cops are not being properly trained and are not handling situations correctly out here people and a majority of them just happen to be black.

And trust me there is FAR more than what is being shown on the news as a black male I have witnessed it first hand so don't give me the you are being played line. This is a reality for a majority of black males and it is being brought to light that is what this is. This system is broken and corrupt through and through. But I do not let it bind me, hold me down or stop me but it HAS to change. You can't tell someone who has witnessed these things first hand they are being played by the news/media because we know it to be true. This isn't fake this is reality. 

And don't get me wrong this is nothing personal against you it is just that it gets tiresome when people constantly tell you that the life you have lived and those around you have lived is pretty much false and just the news/media trying to get you stirred up.

Hopefully, this being brought into the light is the precursor for change.  Overseas, I don't know if there is anything I can do to facilitate this change, but the reality that black American males are enduring is one that goes against the very ideas upon which America was founded. 

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.  --The Declaration of Independence



SuaveSocialist said:

 Overseas, I don't know if there is anything I can do to facilitate this change, 

If you have any spare money you can probably donate to the families of the victims. The money goes toward a college fund for their kids, which should end the cycle of poverty in these families. Little things like this do matter, and do help change. 

http://www.bustle.com/articles/171171-how-to-donate-to-philando-castiles-family-after-their-senseless-loss

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/07/07/money-pouring-in-to-support-children-of-alton-sterling-family-of-philando-castile/



sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

 Overseas, I don't know if there is anything I can do to facilitate this change, 

If you have any spare money you can probably donate to the families of the victims. The money goes toward a college fund for their kids, which should end the cycle of poverty in these families. Little things like this do matter, and do help change. 

http://www.bustle.com/articles/171171-how-to-donate-to-philando-castiles-family-after-their-senseless-loss

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/07/07/money-pouring-in-to-support-children-of-alton-sterling-family-of-philando-castile/

Thanks; will do what I can.



thismeintiel said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

So me stating that a 12yr old boy playing with a toy gun in a public park proves your post huh? So because it was a realistic looking gun that makes it all okay that he was shot and killed. It makes it okay because people thought it was real yet there had been no issues no shots fired nothing of the sort. Heck I have seen many kids playing with toy guns that looked real talking about I am going to shoot you etc but I didn't go straight to saying look at this thug or this kid acting like a thug....because guess what it was just a child playing but I guess that is just me. To you though a child playing is the equivalant of "acting like a thug so die like a thug"....yeeeeeaaaaahhhh that makes perfect sense and clearly proves your point of perpeuating a lie because none of what I said was a fact.  YET you LABELED this boy as thug because he was playing lol. Or did nou not label him as one but just added that part just for the heck of it? No other options than to shoot to kill because this was clearly someone acting like a thug and deserving to die like one? Come on man you can't be serious. And even so again I ask because someone is doing something wrong they deserve to be shot and killed?

Also where did I state that he was shot while being black? Because I gave you two examples of people not doing anything wrong that just means shot while being black? Doesn't show that cops just handled situations poorly just shot while being black? wasn't just countering your post about them not doing anything stupid/wrong that clearly deserved death. Come on now things like this are inexcusable and should not have happened. Esepcially in these two situations that I just gave you.

Yes, you proved my point.  Like many who jump to "cop bad, 'criminal' just made a mistake" mentality, you HAVE to present only one side of the story or half of it to gain support.  If people knew the whole truth, they would not be so quick to support your side. 

And I never said the kid was a thug, only he was pretending to be one.  Which means he may have looked up to them, so who knows what his future would have brought.  But either way, you brandish a gun, act like a thug, and don't put it down when a cop tells you to (yes, even if you're white), and you will get shot.  It also doesn't help that he was all by himself, not playing with any other kid.  If he had been, instead of threatening random people who walked by (which is NOT an acceptable form of play, by any standards), then he'd most likely be alive.

The problem with your side is you see everything in hindsight.  Which is 20/20 as they say.  You don't think those cops felt miserable when they found out it was a toy?  Of course they did.  It probably still haunts them.  But, there was NO way for them to know.  And the second he won't put it away and points it at them, you're damn right they fired.  You would have done the same damn thing, though I doubt you would admit it.

As for your last paragraph, let's be honest here.  The only reason we are even hearing about any of these instances is because the victims are black.  It allows people to push an agenda and even more vile people to make their living.  Without the race war, many would be out of a job.  For example, had that child been white and the cops black, which I'm sure has happened plenty of times, it would have been buried as a local story for us to never hear of again.  Of course, I would have had the same opinion, regardless of race.

How many white kids get shot by cops for having a toy gun? I don't recall it happening much at all. A kid with a toy gun shouldn't be shot period. How about that?

There is racial bias, of course there is, cops are human, and as such some of them are going to be shitty people. Just like the real world has shitty people. 

The problem with the police department is these cops in most cases get off scott free after murdering someone because the police are loathe to admit that they may have some officers who acted poorly. With social media they can't hide it anymore, there's a camera now everywhere. 



TheBlackNaruto said:
Darama said:

The black people who can't stop commuting crimes.

Do you say this about any races outside of blacks and muslims? I never really reply to you but those seem to be your focus groups of attack from what I have seen from your posts. Seems like something personal you have going or maybe I am just reading you wrong?

Or are you saying that police shoot black people because they commit crimes? I mean don't people in every race commit crimes? Makes me wonder why you would single out black people?

It is clear as day this guy is a fucking racist.