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Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

Culutral marxism ... with McDonalds, and Nike, and Apple, and Coca-Cola, trillion dollar stock markets, lol. Just like how Marx imagined it. 

The Cold war is over except for nutters on extreme ends of both politcal ideolgoies. 

Hah! There are still so many people who don't understand what cultural marxism is.

It's not economical socialism or your good old communism. Instead it's a battle in a new area - our culture. The battle of control over our values, our behaviour, our thoughts and our minds. This started to happen in the 60's. It's a strategy the left tend to take when they realize that the economical battle against capitalism is hopeless, or what happens when a society becomes so rich and prosperous that even the poor start to have decent lives, at that point many in the left change focus away from economy.

So cultural marxism can be very dominant and thriving even in a McDonalds and Coca-cola land, there's no contradiction there. Actually, the richer a country is, the easier it is to spread cultural marxism.

Cultural marxism is by far the most important phenomenon in ideology and politics in Western societies today.

 

 

Yes. Oh no! A brown person! I can't cope! So much change!

We've evolved socially on lots of issues, and you know what? By and large that's a good thing. It's a good fucking thing that black people don't have to ride the back of a bus or are treated like animals, or people are open minded enough not to judge a person on their sexuality or a million other things. 

Sometimes things go overboard but by and large we are better off, and you know something else? The 1960s+ are never coming back. 

And good riddance to it. A society that lives in shame and fear of a religious book was never going to last our level of technological progress was always going to stop it. 



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I'll give an example of how influential ideas rooted in cultural marxism are in today's society. Something that you may have not thought of.

LGBT rights. But to avoid any misunderstandings, first I have to say that I don't have anything against LGBT people and I sympathize with them in cases they are marginalized or discriminated, mainly outside of my own country. I dislike the so called "LGBT rights movement" for its attack on traditional family values, its multiculturalism agenda and its hypocrisy (by embracing immigrant groups and ideologies that are in opposition to LGBT)

The awareness of LGBT as a minority has become huge in society very fast. In Sweden, there's a trend among our institutions to become "LGBT certified". All sorts of offices in our municipalities, health care divisions, family care offices, treatment centers, dentists, elderly care homes, youth centers, schools, libraries and swimming baths enthusiastically go through the process to become LGBT certified, under the guidance of the national LGBT association. Even a Swedish icehockey team is LGBT-certified! I work in a hospital that is LGBT-certified.

This all happened in just a few years, and it's not due to a state decree or something, these initiatives pop up spontaneously everywhere. I've even seen representatives of the LGBT movement say that they are amazed of how fast this awareness spreads. It's beyond their wildest dreams. They were totally taken by surprise.

Now what's cultural marxism about this? The idea that LGBT people as a minority need special consideration is clearly leftist, but also how astoundingly fast these rights and this special care is not only accepted, but spread and established in society. And how easy it all happens! There exists almost no criticism or opposition. Very few dare to speak out and question this in fear of consequences. I've seen a few articles question it, but the vast majority of people are open and accepting. They have been ideologically prepared. So prepared that I think by reflex many regard any criticism as hatemongering.

So what's the problem? In this case not that much, but this was taken an example of the influence of cultural marxism on society.

But what's problematic is that I don't think LGBT earns that mindspace, time, money and energy it's been given by public institutions. The natural question becomes, why they and not somebody else? There are many other groups in society that could be described as marginalized and discriminated at. It's just so apparent that it's based on a very politically correct thing without any deeper thought behind it and that people have become easy target for lobbyists.

Another problem is that the next step, sooner or later, will be special consideration for a certain religion and its adherents.



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Hah! There are still so many people who don't understand what cultural marxism is.

It's not economical socialism or your good old communism. Instead it's a battle in a new area - our culture. The battle of control over our values, our behaviour, our thoughts and our minds. This started to happen in the 60's. It's a strategy the left tend to take when they realize that the economical battle against capitalism is hopeless, or what happens when a society becomes so rich and prosperous that even the poor start to have decent lives, at that point many in the left change focus away from economy.

So cultural marxism can be very dominant and thriving even in a McDonalds and Coca-cola land, there's no contradiction there. Actually, the richer a country is, the easier it is to spread cultural marxism.

Cultural marxism is by far the most important phenomenon in ideology and politics in Western societies today.

 

 

Yes. Oh no! A brown person! I can't cope! So much change!

We've evolved socially on lots of issues, and you know what? By and large that's a good thing. It's a good fucking thing that black people don't have to ride the back of a bus or are treated like animals, or people are open minded enough not to judge a person on their sexuality or a million other things. 

Sometimes things go overboard but by and large we are better off, and you know something else? The 1960s+ are never coming back. 

And good riddance to it. A society that lives in shame and fear of a religious book was never going to last our level of technological progress was always going to stop it. 

What a strawman. You use such dirty tactics in discussion.

I fucking defined cultural marxism for you, but you don't admit that you were misguided but instead you change the subject and put words in my mouth. In the worst possible way. And of course, being Soundwave, you would pull up racism from your dirty bucket and try to smear it on me.

You just displayed the lowest, most perverse way to argue.



This is a zero sum game, people would make up other stories to excuse their behaviour... 

In the end, I am not religious, but it comes down to freedom of thaught, people only use religion as a facade for their bigotry - and good deeds too.

So in the end, beyond not believing yourself and engaging with people who believe in a rational and open manner, try to see beyond their beliefs and who they are, how they act with their fellow humans and try to resolve that, if it causes fonclict, there is no need to even address the religious aspect directly, at least there is no need to tell anyone "stop believing" people will come to this conclusion when the time is right.



Could potentially be amazing, but millions of weak minded people need that crutch. Otherwise they'd all be committing suicide.



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If there were no religions, the world would be the same. Maybe worse. Many people find hope in religion and can use it to change their lives for the better. The real problem is people who believe their way of life and opinions are the only way, and wish to punish those who disagree.

We find this in political ideologies, not just religion. You have those who have made global warming their religion and wish to jail those who disagree with their views. Do they honestly think those people are going quietly? That could cause a civil war. Then we also have governments who preach that countries that are doing better economically are only that way because they have stolen the riches from the first country, when in truth it's their country's poor policies that have led to their situation. If they can get enough people to believe it, there is enough support to wage war. Possibly to start terrorist organizations. Hell, neighbors have started "wars" with each other over small things. It's all just human nature.



We have a pretty good idea of what it would look like since most of the western countries (esp Europe and Canada) are already basically secular.  What few practicing Christians exist in these countries are mostly borderline secularists who are not really serious about their faith. 

What I see in the west is a society that is increasingly selfish,  materialistic, sexually immoral, and full of spoiled and childish adults who only grew up thinking about what society owes them and not about giving anything back or making any kind of meaningful self-sacrifice for their country, for their family or for God.  What you end up with is a society that has a fatally low fertility rate (in most western countries it is well below 1.8) that will very quickly result in economic catastrophe leading to a complete collapse of society, if not corrected. 

Jesus teaches us the importance of loving ones neighbour as oneself above all other commandments and without God at the centre of this belief it will inevitably get distorted into something really ugly:  this is why we now see society justifying the murder of unborn children and the elderly as being some twisted act of compassion.  If God exists, which I know He does, then a world without religion would be a blind world that is heading off a cliff with no direction or way of correcting course.



Sign me in!

If it doesn't happen..

Sign me in on the first shuttle to another world somewhere in the universe in the nearest possible future..

Most Religions ican be considered to contain a form of child-abuse.. Are you aware that children are being taught about hell since they are like 3?
They go around fearing hell and eternal fire through their entire lives since they are children, that is a heavy burden to carry around.



 

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Overall religion is a side effect of people having ideas and beliefs about the world around us, so I find it difficult to imagine a world where such a thing does not exist. Even if the world religions die off, I still think the idea of religion will continue to live on in other forms such as civil religion.

So, no.



I don't think it would change anything. People would still fight over something else like class, skin color etc. As far as religion itself, I believe there's something else on the other side. As to who and or what, I don't know yet.

But I will say this to those who think it's bullshit, in my opinion, there's a reason mankind has believed in it since the moment we could use our brains to rationalize life. We're hard wired BY "god" to do so. Even those who don't believe there is anything waiting for us when we die... they have spent years thinking about it. It dominates our DNA and fabric for a reason imo.