Pretty much agree. I dont think sony will go for anything above $499. Being first and far more price competitive option beats matching Scorpio tit for tat. Especially if Native 4k isn't the goal (I don't think it should be this decade).

In order for the torch to be passed to it as an entry point "Next gen" device, I feel like they'd both need new CPUs, this is my main concern with Sony.

Fascinated by the huge gulf in power distribution between pushing for 4k resolution on Scoprio versus using that power to make better looking sub 4k games. I wonder what developers will do...

I know what you meant, I just don't agree with the price point. I think even the high-end models are going to cost less initially. It'll take more than just one console cycle to get to the higher price point, I think. $500-$600 is a lot of money, and it's a huge difference to, say, $300. I don't think people will initially see it as being worth the extra cost, but the console companies still need to sell enough new models so they're not dead on arrival. Thus the prices need to be lower. Maybe the console cycle after Neo and Scorpio will have the price point you said, but I don't think Neo and Scorpio will.

Thats the thing, not a single mention of the neo was made at E3. And sony doesnt need to be first to market and cheaper. If anything, the PS4 has been outselling the XB1 even while being more expensive for alkost 2yrs now. Sony has that kimda mindshare already. Its already deemed as the better product and people are willing to pay more for it. 

The Neo/Scorpio doesn't hsve to be price concious at all, this is the first time and with just the perfect mix of circumstances that a console can stake such a claim. 

I also feel both consoles will coke with new CPUs alongside their new GPUs and will target native 4k. Which is easy if you are throwing in AMDs 480 polaris GPU with zen cpu. There is no meed releasing an iterative hardware this year when all it takes is waiting 6-8 more months to have something for the around the same price but significantly more powerful. 

And as lomg as the "entry" consoles remain at $300, ot doesmt really matter how expensive the premium 4k consoles are as long as they are still cheaper than building a similarly specced 4k PC. last thing sony or Ms wants to do is make a "sorta" 4k box. 

The Scorpio, even after a year's time, sounds like it has to be expensive. I'd love to see what price they plan on aiming for, as right now the GPU would cost almost the price of the entire console.

Scorpio will have a GPU based on Polaris, very similar to the RX 480 that releases in a couple of weeks and costs only $199. It's over a year until Scorpio comes out, and meanwhile production costs of that GPU will go down, plus when it's sold in the millions Microsoft will get a good discount. So the Scorpio GPU won't cost more than the PS4 GPU did when it came out in 2013, so I expect no more than $399 for a Scorpio.

So when do people think PS4 Neo will come out? Since it wasnt shown at E3, is holidays 2016 now out of the question?

PS4 Neo if it comes ut this year I think it could cost $499 but if it's holidays 2017 it could very well be only $399.

Well, thats not really true.... 

We know the GPU alone costs $199. and A decent Zen CPU can cost around $199 too (mind you the Zen is an APU) and these are all retail prices.

It's fairly plausible to have APUs in the Neo/Scorpio that cost around $150-$200 on their own. But the supporting hardware to drive that kinda power can mean the box itself probably costs around $400-$500 to make. When u factor in memory, drives, cooling, boards...etc. 

If starting a new console generation and coming out with hardware like that with a 500-$600 price tag? that would be suicide. But as I say they have a safety net, you don't have to buy the more powerful consoles cause ur games run just fine on the 1080p versions. 

As Zkuq said though, they may not come in as high as $600. But $500 is very plausible. 

I dont think its coming this year. Always said that, it makes absolutely zero sense for them to release this year when their dirext comptetitor (who even needs it more than them) is waiting till next year just to ensre they hsve the best box available. 

Sony can release a NEO that costs $50-$100 more than the Scorpio and still sell better. They can opt to take a bigger hit on eveey neo sold to make it cheaper than the scorpio cause they have a larger install base to give them some cushion. There is really no sense in sony coming out this year. None what so ever, i exepct we see the neo at GDC next yesr or E3

Because the RDR demo was cancelled?

Do people really believe that Sony wouldn't have dominated this gen if it was less powerful than the X1?

Looks to me like MS is the one still stuck on a drawing board

- Announcing thin air (Scorpio is literally nothing)

- Greenberg:  "#XboxOne family all your games will work, no Scorpio exclusives, so no one gets left behind". Shannon Loftis: "I don't know about that. We'll see. It's up to the game development community."

Totally sounds like they were ready and know what they're doing. 

I love this part. So in late 2021 when PS5 and Xbox 2 possibly comes out, games will have Scorpio and PS4 Neo as the common lowest denominator and minimum requirement, but they run with better graphics settings on PS5 and Xbox 2. These games don't work on PS4 and Xbox One who at this point will be 8 years old and obsolete, but these consoles have been supported until early 2021, when all games still were required to work on both PS4/Xbone and PS4 Neo/Scorpio.