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Yea i definitely would consider them up there but Rockstar, Naughty Dog and Kojima are imo the best.



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Johnw1104 said:
xl-klaudkil said:
Since many of there games are online only or online required when the servers go down( and they will) there games are nothing.

Soo noo.

(diablo3 on consoles ia awesome thou all haill offline play)

That's the entire PS4 library untli they allow easy use of external hard drives to save downloads and patches for the long term.

Seriously, no game you buy for the PS4 or Xbox1 is actually on the disk you receive; the moment they stop supporting it those games are gone, which is fairly true for most games these days.

What thehell are you talking about?  All my 106 ps4games are on disc, they just get installed on the ps4 not downloaded.

 

Games that needs huge patches to work i dont buy quz bambambam.

 

My ps4 is not connected online 



 

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xl-klaudkil said:
Johnw1104 said:

That's the entire PS4 library untli they allow easy use of external hard drives to save downloads and patches for the long term.

Seriously, no game you buy for the PS4 or Xbox1 is actually on the disk you receive; the moment they stop supporting it those games are gone, which is fairly true for most games these days.

What thehell are you talking about?  All my 106 ps4games are on disc, they just get installed on the ps4 not downloaded.

 

Games that needs huge patches to work i dont buy quz bambambam.

 

My ps4 is not connected online 

Oh I know you don't need to be online to play as I've used that tactic to avoid friends when playing a single player game lol

I'd be curious to see just how common this practice is, but it generally seems as if the great majority of AAA games that install from the discs initially are woefully incomplete or unstable, and so require large patches. I cannot remember the last time I got to simply play a dang game after installation without immediate updates, and they're generally large ones at that.

Therein lies the probably, as while you can reinstall games with your discs you cannot re-patch them if the service isn't offered. Likewise, the PS4 only allows you to back up your hard drive and swap it, but does not allow game data to be saved to an external hard drive. For that reason patched, stable games could theoretically disappear in the future, replaced by whatever version shipped on the disc.

Personally, I don't think this will ever be a problem; online support is becoming more common, not less, and there's generally ways around these issues with time. If Sony relaxed their rules regarding external hard drives, for instance, these patches could be acquired easily from other hosts in the future. My only point was that it is similar to Blizzard, Steam and really most games in that the gaming world is becoming very reliant on online support to actually maintain their games. That said, I don't see such support waning, and I feel fairly confident in assuring you that you'll have some option for the WoWs, Diablo 3s, and Overwatches of the world far beyond the point that you'd actually care heh

Seriously, people still play Diablo I, Diablo II and Warcraft 3 still receive patches, and private servers have sustained just about every MMO that ever existed. I don't think the threat of them suddenly disappearing is a realistic problem lol

After all, the industry is clearly trending towards digital-only (the PC market is pretty much there already), so it's an odd thing to hold against at a game. I admit it's irritating when a game is online-only, but that's hardly been a problem for the good ones in the past. I'd wager Blizzard would certainly allow offline play on D3 should they end support, as that's just their style; I'm not aware of any company that supports their games for longer than Blizzard.



Johnw1104 said:
xl-klaudkil said:

What thehell are you talking about?  All my 106 ps4games are on disc, they just get installed on the ps4 not downloaded.

 

Games that needs huge patches to work i dont buy quz bambambam.

 

My ps4 is not connected online 

Oh I know you don't need to be online to play as I've used that tactic to avoid friends when playing a single player game lol

I'd be curious to see just how common this practice is, but it generally seems as if the great majority of AAA games that install from the discs initially are woefully incomplete or unstable, and so require large patches. I cannot remember the last time I got to simply play a dang game after installation without immediate updates, and they're generally large ones at that.

Therein lies the probably, as while you can reinstall games with your discs you cannot re-patch them if the service isn't offered. Likewise, the PS4 only allows you to back up your hard drive and swap it, but does not allow game data to be saved to an external hard drive. For that reason patched, stable games could theoretically disappear in the future, replaced by whatever version shipped on the disc.

Personally, I don't think this will ever be a problem; online support is becoming more common, not less, and there's generally ways around these issues with time. If Sony relaxed their rules regarding external hard drives, for instance, these patches could be acquired easily from other hosts in the future. My only point was that it is similar to Blizzard, Steam and really most games in that the gaming world is becoming very reliant on online support to actually maintain their games. That said, I don't see such support waning, and I feel fairly confident in assuring you that you'll have some option for the WoWs, Diablo 3s, and Overwatches of the world far beyond the point that you'd actually care heh

Seriously, people still play Diablo I, Diablo II and Warcraft 3 still receive patches, and private servers have sustained just about every MMO that ever existed. I don't think the threat of them suddenly disappearing is a realistic problem lol

After all, the industry is clearly trending towards digital-only (the PC market is pretty much there already), so it's an odd thing to hold against at a game. I admit it's irritating when a game is online-only, but that's hardly been a problem for the good ones in the past. I'd wager Blizzard would certainly allow offline play on D3 should they end support, as that's just their style; I'm not aware of any company that supports their games for longer than Blizzard.

Clearly you didn't read what i said,western triple a games mostly suck monkey poe(battleshit, call of shitty,fallout,assasins creed,and so many more.

 

All the japanese games and indies i have physical are payable till end day 1 without any game breaking bug.

 

Also ratchet and clank and uncharted 4 are pretty much bugfree on dics.

 

Also digital only era coming? 

Well go and talk to Microsoft about what happend.

 

Will it ever happen a industry where noo game will ever get physical releases?

 

 

Noo,never ever!

 

Digital and physical can live together and iam so happy where seeing more and more indies and digital only games getting physical console releases.

 

Most people. Clearly don't seem to understand the difference between pc and the console industry.

 

And yes there is go YouTube and type'videogameroomtour"

 

 

And you will understand. 

 

Go look at LimitedRungames and search what happend when they released one game physical, now they have more than 30 contracts already signed. 



 

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xl-klaudkil said:
Johnw1104 said:

Oh I know you don't need to be online to play as I've used that tactic to avoid friends when playing a single player game lol

I'd be curious to see just how common this practice is, but it generally seems as if the great majority of AAA games that install from the discs initially are woefully incomplete or unstable, and so require large patches. I cannot remember the last time I got to simply play a dang game after installation without immediate updates, and they're generally large ones at that.

Therein lies the probably, as while you can reinstall games with your discs you cannot re-patch them if the service isn't offered. Likewise, the PS4 only allows you to back up your hard drive and swap it, but does not allow game data to be saved to an external hard drive. For that reason patched, stable games could theoretically disappear in the future, replaced by whatever version shipped on the disc.

Personally, I don't think this will ever be a problem; online support is becoming more common, not less, and there's generally ways around these issues with time. If Sony relaxed their rules regarding external hard drives, for instance, these patches could be acquired easily from other hosts in the future. My only point was that it is similar to Blizzard, Steam and really most games in that the gaming world is becoming very reliant on online support to actually maintain their games. That said, I don't see such support waning, and I feel fairly confident in assuring you that you'll have some option for the WoWs, Diablo 3s, and Overwatches of the world far beyond the point that you'd actually care heh

Seriously, people still play Diablo I, Diablo II and Warcraft 3 still receive patches, and private servers have sustained just about every MMO that ever existed. I don't think the threat of them suddenly disappearing is a realistic problem lol

After all, the industry is clearly trending towards digital-only (the PC market is pretty much there already), so it's an odd thing to hold against at a game. I admit it's irritating when a game is online-only, but that's hardly been a problem for the good ones in the past. I'd wager Blizzard would certainly allow offline play on D3 should they end support, as that's just their style; I'm not aware of any company that supports their games for longer than Blizzard.

Clearly you didn't read what i said,western triple a games mostly suck monkey poe(battleshit, call of shitty,fallout,assasins creed,and so many more.

 

All the japanese games and indies i have physical are payable till end day 1 without any game breaking bug.

 

Also ratchet and clank and uncharted 4 are pretty much bugfree on dics.

 

Also digital only era coming? 

Well go and talk to Microsoft about what happend.

 

Will it ever happen a industry where noo game will ever get physical releases?

 

 

Noo,never ever!

 

Digital and physical can live together and iam so happy where seeing more and more indies and digital only games getting physical console releases.

 

Most people. Clearly don't seem to understand the difference between pc and the console industry.

 

And yes there is go YouTube and type'videogameroomtour"

 

 

And you will understand. 

 

Go look at LimitedRungames and search what happend when they released one game physical, now they have more than 30 contracts already signed. 

First, I don't know if you've ever seen the Trailer Park Boys but I had to read this in Mr. Lahey's voice after those two haha

Otherwise, I didn't say digital only was the future, but rather that it will become increasingly prominent which, if you haven't noticed, it has. If I had to guess I'd say the Playstation Now streaming service likely looks like the future of consoles, as subscription based streaming has certainly worked out for them. 

I certainly don't think physical is just going to vanish, then, but it will likely continue to diminish. I seriously hope the rumors that the Nx will be utilizing something akin to the memory card is true as I personally love physical media, but I can't confidently state that most games will continue to offer physical releases into the future. Hopefully consumer pressure and the pressure from retailers continues to keep them around, but consumers are not nearly as anti-digital as you're making them out to be. 

I'm not really sure why you're linking me to game room videos... I'm well aware people collect as I myself am a collector. Granted, I don't collect just for the sake of owning or completing sets, but currently I have an Atari VCS, Intellivision, Nes, Snes, Genesis, N64, PS1, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, Xbox360, PS3, Wii, Wii U, and PS4, and every week or two I search the internet for two games I'd like to try on one of those systems, head to Games Galore, pick them up, and make a weekend of it lol... my next move will be for a Sega Master System.

Basically, it's fair to say I'm one heck of a fan of physical media, and I'll admit I miss the ease of just popping the game in and playing. I really suspect, though, that physical media will increasingly become a collector thing as opposed to a mainstream thing. Really, Limited Run Games is essentially the future I'm describing, where it's available for people like you and I who love it but most will leave such things behind.



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I'd promise my first born to old Blizzard. New Blizzard is all about the cash, and they will be incredibly succesfull for sure. But they wont capture my imagination, they won't induce massive hypelevels and they wont get my money anymore. After the disgustingly bad story of Starcraft 2, and the terrible first version of diablo 3, I'm spent. The initial overwatch reveal trailer made me cry, but I have ZERO interest in the game. Hearthstone got boring in a week or two, HotS is for mindless casuals.

I have no doubt that Blizzard will continue their dominating presence in the gaming industry. I just don't care about them personally anymore.



Scisca said:
Azzanation said:

If your paying attention, you will know i am not trying to compare Blizzard to Naughty Dog, thats an unfair comparison. I did mention Nintendo and Rare in my Main Post so im sure you have read it.

Just to add, this isnt about tastes, this is about crowning genres as your own which is what Blizzard has been doing for years. Yes genres, not genre.

But in your replies you keep on going about ND.

I think it's debatable whether they are crowning much. They are making good games that work, but really when was the last time they made a truely great game? Not one that sells well, but one that is truely great? Best in the genre? WoW? Everything after that was only very solid, but nothing has been spectacular or worth remembering down the line. To me it always seems like they are taking the path of least resistance and are mixing the ingrediences that have already been proven to work by other companies or their previous games. The time when they actually pushed the industry is long gone. When I was younger I was waiting for another Blizzard game with anxiety and between StarCraft, Broodwar, Diablo 2, WarCraft 3, WoW - these were all legendary games with many unprecedented aspects. When these games were released, it was something special. Nowadays, nothing like that can really be said about their games. StarCraft 2, HearthStone, Diablo 3, Heroes of the Storm or Overwatch... Good games, but they don't really mean that much to the industry and neither one will become a legendary staple.

Let's face it, a lot of the incredible sales come not from these games being that great, but because of them being sequels to legendary games.

Theres alot of bait that happens in threads on VG which cause articles to get closed down. I am no longer responing to those who want to troll my article with off topic or no understanding on whats written. I did debate the facts however this only leads to off topic decussions. I didnt bring it up, and i will no longer continue with it.

As for best in the genre, let me give you some examples. What RTS game is better then the current StarCraft 2 series? Whats a better Hero based shooter then OverWatch? Whats a better MMO then WoW? Whats a better Hack and Slash, Loot and grind game then Diablo 3? Thats kind of my point, all of these games are top of there food chain, i am sure there are games that come close like Assemble Studios with there Total War series and Guild Wars 2 however Blizzard has not only made the best possible games in those genres, they continue to create newer experinces. There very first attempt at a FPS game beat Valve on there first go, and Valve specialise in the FPS market.

That leads to an amazing company, when they focus on something it becomes a game that not only sells extremly well, it will also last for years. There games are filled with so much value and qaulity. No company i know today delievers like what Blizzard do when it comes to makeing modern games and testing newer genres with the exception of Nintendo because they are truely amazing aswell. Blizzard and Nintendo are far from 1 trick ponies that many keep comparing them too.



They are one of the worst rather than best. And your post is long.



FragilE^ said:
I'd promise my first born to old Blizzard. New Blizzard is all about the cash, and they will be incredibly succesfull for sure. But they wont capture my imagination, they won't induce massive hypelevels and they wont get my money anymore. After the disgustingly bad story of Starcraft 2, and the terrible first version of diablo 3, I'm spent. The initial overwatch reveal trailer made me cry, but I have ZERO interest in the game. Hearthstone got boring in a week or two, HotS is for mindless casuals.

I have no doubt that Blizzard will continue their dominating presence in the gaming industry. I just don't care about them personally anymore.

There wasn't supposed to be influence from Activision when they purchased Blizzard but it seems the company has shifted in the years after the acquisition.  I sensed the shift right around the time of Cataclysm and SC2.  I tried the SC2 beta a few times and decided that the game didn't have my interest anymore.  Never picked up D3 but I might eventually.  Perhaps it was my change in taste or getting tired of their series.  To me the company has lost the magic since about 2007 or so.



Azzanation said:
Scisca said:

But in your replies you keep on going about ND.

I think it's debatable whether they are crowning much. They are making good games that work, but really when was the last time they made a truely great game? Not one that sells well, but one that is truely great? Best in the genre? WoW? Everything after that was only very solid, but nothing has been spectacular or worth remembering down the line. To me it always seems like they are taking the path of least resistance and are mixing the ingrediences that have already been proven to work by other companies or their previous games. The time when they actually pushed the industry is long gone. When I was younger I was waiting for another Blizzard game with anxiety and between StarCraft, Broodwar, Diablo 2, WarCraft 3, WoW - these were all legendary games with many unprecedented aspects. When these games were released, it was something special. Nowadays, nothing like that can really be said about their games. StarCraft 2, HearthStone, Diablo 3, Heroes of the Storm or Overwatch... Good games, but they don't really mean that much to the industry and neither one will become a legendary staple.

Let's face it, a lot of the incredible sales come not from these games being that great, but because of them being sequels to legendary games.

Theres alot of bait that happens in threads on VG which cause articles to get closed down. I am no longer responing to those who want to troll my article with off topic or no understanding on whats written. I did debate the facts however this only leads to off topic decussions. I didnt bring it up, and i will no longer continue with it.

As for best in the genre, let me give you some examples. What RTS game is better then the current StarCraft 2 series? Whats a better Hero based shooter then OverWatch? Whats a better MMO then WoW? Whats a better Hack and Slash, Loot and grind game then Diablo 3? Thats kind of my point, all of these games are top of there food chain, i am sure there are games that come close like Assemble Studios with there Total War series and Guild Wars 2 however Blizzard has not only made the best possible games in those genres, they continue to create newer experinces. There very first attempt at a FPS game beat Valve on there first go, and Valve specialise in the FPS market.

That leads to an amazing company, when they focus on something it becomes a game that not only sells extremly well, it will also last for years. There games are filled with so much value and qaulity. No company i know today delievers like what Blizzard do when it comes to makeing modern games and testing newer genres with the exception of Nintendo because they are truely amazing aswell. Blizzard and Nintendo are far from 1 trick ponies that many keep comparing them too.

I love StarCraft, I follow the progaming scene, etc. But in all fairness, I have to admit that SC2 never would have achieved its position, had it not been the second part of a legendary phenomenon. It took Blizz very, very long time to turn this game into something that could finally replace Brood War. Lets face it, Wings of Liberty multi was terrible, I found it totally unwatchable for years. HotS was finally fine, LotV is interesting, but currently the game needs a lot of serious work, cause it's painful how obvious the lack of balance is. So... They are trying, but the only reason they can do what they are doing is because they are taking advantage of the success of SC:BW. Unfortunately, classical RTS games are dead nowadays, so Blizz has no competition in this field anymore There is only Total War. But I think it can easily be said they dominate a dead genre and only because of their legacy, not because the game was that good. They are riding their previous success.

Diablo 3 - it was a mess on release. The graphics were universally criticised, the weird mechanics were... weird. The marketplace... Ok, they've managed to turn it around, but just like in the case of Starcraft 2 - the only reason they ever had the opportunity and had the sales they had was because it was Diablo. The new part to the game that created the whole genre and that dominated it for over a decade. Moreover, I think that many people consider Torchlight 2 to be better than Diablo 3. I don't think that this game is anywhere near to where Diablo 2 was.

WoW is the best, but it's so old already...

I don't know if Overwatch is that good, time will tell. It sells like crazy, but will it have a lasting impact? I've heard that on a technical level it's underwhelming and doesn't have what it takes to turn it into an e-sport (even though Blizz will no doubt push it). They've managed to beat Valve's 9 year's old game - lets not read too much into it There is no way they even touch CS:GO.

I know they are amazing. I love their old games, starting with The Lost Vikings, all the way through Warcraft 2&3, Diablo 1&2, Starcraft (which is on my top5 ever list), even Starcraft 2, but after that... I am about to finally try Diablo 3 out, but Blizz lost the magic in my eyes, and as you can read from many people here, others feel the same. They make very, very solid and well polished games and they are great at selling them. But they lost the magic. And there still are companies that have that magic, that are pushing the industry forward. Unfortunately, Blizzard is no longer among them and that causes many people to not put them on the top spot. They surely are on the shortlist, but it would help their cause if they finally released something groundbreaking.



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