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Trump or Clinton

Trump 444 33.59%
 
Clinton 487 36.84%
 
Undecided 109 8.25%
 
Not of age or not American 282 21.33%
 
Total:1,322
sabvre42 said:
CosmicSex said:
For those naive enough to think that voting doesn't matter, be mindful of your own life and aspirations and pick someone knowing that there is always a worse choice. You do this because you don't have any right complaining years down the line when shit hits the fan because there will be a president whether you like it or not.

My vote literally does not matter. The electoral college makes states all or nothing, and Minnesota has voted democrat every election since like 1920 (we were literally the only state to vote against Reagan and for Mondale).

 

I have more power at the primaries by choosing whom the swing states go for than at the general.

I know the feeling my town has had the same MP and voted for exactly the same party year in year out for longer than I have lived.

However, if everyone who didn't vote because there was no point voting actually went out and voted, whoever they picked would actual be the one in power.

Status quo relies on the "what's the point?" Non vote. If non voters suddenly turned up, elections would be turned on their heads. (In the UK at least)



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Go Bernie.



No matter who I vote for, which I may just write in a name for the first time, the state of Kansas will end up with a majority of the votes going to the Republican candidate. I still plan on voting and probably write in Bernie Sanders name on the ballad.



I am not American but if I were the only grown up and responsible thing would be to vote for Clinton, so that's my vote in that case. Hopefully she picks Elisabeth Warren as her VP.



It was about time America gets her first woman president.



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Not American, but how can anyone vote for Trump he's crazy. He's whats wrong with America... not saying Clintons perfect (as she obviously isn't for many reasons) but, it seems like a clear cut choice.



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padib said:
So why did Bernie not make it? He seemed to be the right candidate, the most level-headed.

He didn't make it because the primaries in the Democratic Party is rigged.  Yet you have people on here who laugh at the Republican Party and say that this is not a republic but a democracy.  

Bernie Sanders just recently stated that he has gained 45% of the pledged delegates and 7% of the superdelegates and called the whole system rigged as well.  The superdelegates are PLEO or Pledged Leaders and Elected Officials.  That means that current and prior people in the Senate, Governors, House of Representatives, Congressman, former Presidents, former Vice Presidents etc get to vote for their candidate of choice.  I believe there are some 800 superdelegates depending on how many people live/die.  So now you have Hillary Clinton (an elite) versus Bernie Sanders (outsider) in a proportional based pledged delegate system with a winner take all superdelegate system.  Of course these PLEOs will and forever vote for the insider as opposed to the outsider each and every time.  That is not to say that you wont have some superdelegates vote for the outsider.  I don't know if this is always true, but I did see that the governor of Hawaii had to step down from her position if she was to vote for Bernie Sanders.  That is why the entire system is rigged because no candidate can beat Hillary Clinton if she starts out with 800 delegates out of the necessary 2400 delegates to win the primary and be the democratic nominee.  But of course they didn't want to give all of the superdelegates to Hillary right away because then things would look really really rigged.  So they dribbled in some superdelegates in the beginning to give her a push so as to ensure she wins the majority of the pledged delegates going forward.  Here is the "little" push that I am talking about:

At the very beginning of the race, only two states had voted.  Those two states were Iowa and New Hampshire.  Bernie Sanders tied Hillary Clinton in Iowa and CRUSHED Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire.  One would look at that and say that Bernie Sanders must be winning in the delegate count.  But this is where your great democracy on the democratic side came into play.  Bernie Sanders had 44 delegates (I believe) after those two states while HIllary Clinton had 394 delegates!  Pfft some democracy.  So now it is my turn to laugh at every single democrat while they have a contested convention that will surely break apart their party. Meanwhile the republicans, who started with seventeen candidates and had a true democracy,  elected the outsider Donald Trump.  So I will take my "Republic" over your laughable "Democracy" any day.



Jimbo1337 said:
padib said:
So why did Bernie not make it? He seemed to be the right candidate, the most level-headed.

He didn't make it because the primaries in the Democratic Party is rigged.  Yet you have people on here who laugh at the Republican Party and say that this is not a republic but a democracy.  

Bernie Sanders just recently stated that he has gained 45% of the pledged delegates and 7% of the superdelegates and called the whole system rigged as well.  The superdelegates are PLEO or Pledged Leaders and Elected Officials.  That means that current and prior people in the Senate, Governors, House of Representatives, Congressman, former Presidents, former Vice Presidents etc get to vote for their candidate of choice.  I believe there are some 800 superdelegates depending on how many people live/die.  So now you have Hillary Clinton (an elite) versus Bernie Sanders (outsider) in a proportional based pledged delegate system with a winner take all superdelegate system.  Of course these PLEOs will and forever vote for the insider as opposed to the outsider each and every time.  That is not to say that you wont have some superdelegates vote for the outsider.  I don't know if this is always true, but I did see that the governor of Hawaii had to step down from her position if she was to vote for Bernie Sanders.  That is why the entire system is rigged because no candidate can beat Hillary Clinton if she starts out with 800 delegates out of the necessary 2400 delegates to win the primary and be the democratic nominee.  But of course they didn't want to give all of the superdelegates to Hillary right away because then things would look really really rigged.  So they dribbled in some superdelegates in the beginning to give her a push so as to ensure she wins the majority of the pledged delegates going forward.  Here is the "little" push that I am talking about:

At the very beginning of the race, only two states had voted.  Those two states were Iowa and New Hampshire.  Bernie Sanders tied Hillary Clinton in Iowa and CRUSHED Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire.  One would look at that and say that Bernie Sanders must be winning in the delegate count.  But this is where your great democracy on the democratic side came into play.  Bernie Sanders had 44 delegates (I believe) after those two states while HIllary Clinton had 394 delegates!  Pfft some democracy.  So now it is my turn to laugh at every single democrat while they have a contested convention that will surely break apart their party. Meanwhile the republicans, who started with seventeen candidates and had a true democracy,  elected the outsider Donald Trump.  So I will take my "Republic" over your laughable "Democracy" any day.

You do know he's Canadian?

As for the point you were making, while the democratic party does have superdelagates, in 2008 when the media was reporting delagate count they counted them right along with the pledged delagates, this year they hold off mentioning the superdalates in reports until after they mention the other count.

As for the republican system it varies widely state to state, but many are winner take all, even if the winner doesn't get over half the votes. So Trump got all the delages for some states even if over 60% of the voters didn't vote for him. If it had been a more proportional system the whole time, Trump might have been stopped. If the democrats had the winner take all system in the same states the republicans do, Hilary would already have won the democratic primary.



I dunno if I wanna vote for a liar or a d***