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bigtakilla on 27 April 2016
Luke888 said:
bigtakilla said:

Yup, their trolling the investors.

I mean, I don't see the problem in this, if anything, Investors would be happy that NX is coming out in 2016 right in time for the holiday season...

Actually, It'd be kinda smart, now people are angry that Zelda is delayed again AND they know that Wii U will now get 0 games outside of Paper Mario Colour Splash, so IF Nintendo announces "we were able to speed-up the production of NX and now we can release it in November WITH Zelda (and it'll be on Wii U aswell)" then they would get the minimum ammount of backlash possible in this console transition...

Woah, come back to reality man.



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Nem on 27 April 2016

Hahaha... so... we're gonna have a lot of wrong little crows won't we? :D

bigtakilla said:
Aeolus451 said:
Nintendo hasn't confirmed whether the NX is a handheld or home console yet?

Zelda Wii U is releasing on it, it's a home console.

Its looking likely, but its not confirmed. It could be a very powerful portable. As in... Wii U portable.

But we do know for sure its only coming in 2017 though. As some of us very rightly predicted. ^^



Soundwave on 27 April 2016

March 2017 technically is closer to Nov/Dec 2016 than holiday 2017 anyway.

It's a three month delay. Basically everything else that was largely predicted about the NX is more or less true.

Nintendo is killing off the Wii U (effectively) for the NX. Wii U is effectively a four year console, not even a full four years really as the back half of 2014 makes the GameCube's 2005 look like an all-star lineup of games. True. 

Nintendo gives no shits about showing the NX at "X" number of E3s beforehand like other consoles. True. Hell, NX will not even be shown at one single E3 show prior to launch. 

Zelda is launching with NX. Not only true, but Nintendo was not even willing to give it to Wii U owners this Christmas. 

Some people were three months off on the release date ... but they were basically right in the overall supposition.

But hey like I said this is like the guy who is celebrating for being right about his wife not having dinner with another man ... yes he was right about that ... but he was wrong that they weren't fucking for several months like his friend tried to tell him that something was clearly up. 

So I mean, it's a bit of a hollow victory if there ever was one.



crissindahouse on 27 April 2016

So, was I supposed to change it already or was I to fast? I'm confused^^

And why did I vote just a few hours before the announcement? Am I stupid?



Nem on 27 April 2016
Soundwave said:
lol, Nintendo screwed everyone.

The whole premise of the NX can't launch till 2017! crowd here was that Nintendo was behind the Wii U and would give it a full 5 years of support ... but that clearly is not the case, the system is only going to have 4 years of support with Zelda stripped from it to share with the NX.

2016 launch doesn't happen but March 2017 isn't that far off, likely Nintendo wanted holiday 2016 badly, but being Nintendo they fucked it up.

Now..now soundwave. Be a good sport. You are generalising.

That is not what all of us said. What i always said is that Nintendo didnt have the resources to launch an HD system this year. And that much proved true. Even march, its a bit rushed, but they can stagger some of the releases that they could get finished next year the earliest.

I can't wait to see zorg1000's little crow. :3



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Wyrdness on 27 April 2016

Time to pay up people you knew the rules when you put your money where your mouth is, lets see those crow avatars. If you can't find an avatar one is going to be provided with in a few days.



bigtakilla on 27 April 2016
Nem said:
Soundwave said:
lol, Nintendo screwed everyone.

The whole premise of the NX can't launch till 2017! crowd here was that Nintendo was behind the Wii U and would give it a full 5 years of support ... but that clearly is not the case, the system is only going to have 4 years of support with Zelda stripped from it to share with the NX.

2016 launch doesn't happen but March 2017 isn't that far off, likely Nintendo wanted holiday 2016 badly, but being Nintendo they fucked it up.

Now..now soundwave. Be a good sport. You are generalising.

That is not what all of us said. What i always said is that Nintendo didnt have the resources to launch an HD system this year. And that much proved true. Even match, its a bit rushed, but they can stagger some of the releases that they could get finished next year the earliest.

I can't wait to see zorg's little crow. :3

Yeah, I was going off of the "Nintendo might want to give this a good first year lineup. so 2017 was the better choice" point of view.



Soundwave on 27 April 2016
Nem said:
Soundwave said:
lol, Nintendo screwed everyone.

The whole premise of the NX can't launch till 2017! crowd here was that Nintendo was behind the Wii U and would give it a full 5 years of support ... but that clearly is not the case, the system is only going to have 4 years of support with Zelda stripped from it to share with the NX.

2016 launch doesn't happen but March 2017 isn't that far off, likely Nintendo wanted holiday 2016 badly, but being Nintendo they fucked it up.

Now..now soundwave. Be a good sport. You are generalising.

That is not what all of us said. What i always said is that Nintendo didnt have the resources to launch an HD system this year. And that much proved true.

Just for the record I never said 2016 was a lock, I said they were clearly aiming for 2016 but as with anything Nintendo does, a delay is always a possibility, and a March 2017 launch basically does logically point to the fact that they were pushing hard for a holiday 2016 launch, just missed it by a few months. 

But the general supposition of Nintendo would never abandon the Wii U before 5 full years and all that was a farce. Nintendo gave up on the Wii U in 2014 and had to have begun hard development on the NX back then (Nov 16 launch vs. March 17 is an immaterial difference in the grand scheme of things). 

I actually suspect also that this is not a software issue (with NX) so much as it probably is an issue with TSMC not being able to fabricate 14nm AMD chips easily and possibly that Kimishima wanted some changes made to the system after taking over which may have also pushed the window back 3 months. With Zelda U and probably several other Wii U projects transferred over to the NX ages ago, I think they probably could have launched this year *software* wise if they really had to. Throw in a few PS4/XB1 third party ports and it would've been fine in that regard. 

The whole "they can't launch NX so soon, they're working on all these awesome Wii U games that we'll see at E3 2016! Just wait" turned out to be a bunch of horse shit too, its obvious now Nintendo's main teams have not been working on Wii U projects for quite some time. 

Can't really ship a console if the factory is having problems making the GPUs though or if your new CEO wants some changes made to certain design elements.



Nem on 27 April 2016
Soundwave said:
Nem said:

Now..now soundwave. Be a good sport. You are generalising.

That is not what all of us said. What i always said is that Nintendo didnt have the resources to launch an HD system this year. And that much proved true.

Just for the record I never said 2016 was a lock, I said they were clearly aiming for 2016 but as with anything Nintendo does, a delay is always a possibility, and a March 2017 launch basically does logically point to the fact that they were pushing hard for a holiday 2016 launch, just missed it by a few months. 

But the general supposition of Nintendo would never abandon the Wii U before 5 full years and all that was a farce. Nintendo gave up on the Wii U in 2014 and had to have begun hard development on the NX back then (Nov 16 launch vs. March 17 is an immaterial difference in the grand scheme of things). 

I actually suspect also that this is not a software issue (with NX) so much as it probably is an issue with TSMC not being able to fabricate 14nm AMD chips easily and possibly that Kimishima wanted some changes made to the system after taking over which may have also pushed the window back 3 months. With Zelda U and probably several other Wii U projects transferred over to the NX ages ago, I think they probably could have launched this year *software* wise if they really had to. Throw in a few PS4/XB1 third party ports and it would've been fine in that regard. 

Can't really ship a console if the factory is having problems making the GPUs though or if your new CEO wants some changes made to certain design elements.

Did you even choose a side? Can't see you on the list.

Get outta here! You didn't pick a side so you can't claim victory or loss. :P



Soundwave on 27 April 2016
Nem said:
Soundwave said:

Just for the record I never said 2016 was a lock, I said they were clearly aiming for 2016 but as with anything Nintendo does, a delay is always a possibility, and a March 2017 launch basically does logically point to the fact that they were pushing hard for a holiday 2016 launch, just missed it by a few months. 

But the general supposition of Nintendo would never abandon the Wii U before 5 full years and all that was a farce. Nintendo gave up on the Wii U in 2014 and had to have begun hard development on the NX back then (Nov 16 launch vs. March 17 is an immaterial difference in the grand scheme of things). 

I actually suspect also that this is not a software issue (with NX) so much as it probably is an issue with TSMC not being able to fabricate 14nm AMD chips easily and possibly that Kimishima wanted some changes made to the system after taking over which may have also pushed the window back 3 months. With Zelda U and probably several other Wii U projects transferred over to the NX ages ago, I think they probably could have launched this year *software* wise if they really had to. Throw in a few PS4/XB1 third party ports and it would've been fine in that regard. 

Can't really ship a console if the factory is having problems making the GPUs though or if your new CEO wants some changes made to certain design elements.

Did you even choose a side? Can't see you on the list.

Get outta here! You didn't pick a side so you can't claim victory or loss. :P

I've said my position in several threads pretty clearly ...

- Nintendo has given up on Wii U and major internal teams were not working on Wii U projects. True/false ... looks true. 

- Zelda would be for the NX as a launch title with the Wii U getting it as a token goodbye gift like TP. True. 

- They were aiming for a 2016 launch but it could be delayed because Nintendo can't release anything on time. Probably true, unless there is something magical about launching in March, there's no logical reason to choose this over a Nov/December release, unless the Wii U had some killer fall lineup which it doesn't. 

- Showing/or not showing it at previous E3s or looking at previous Nintendo unveils to try and get a read on NX was pointless. True. NX won't even be shown at a single E3 prior to launch.