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Miyamotoo said:
Nintyfan90 said:

       Is NX even necessary if all Ninty is doing is making a platform that can handle multiplats?

 

Actually 3DS and Wii U dont share almost anything, they are completely separate platforms, with seperate OS-s, separate account, different architectures, different games..

What Nintendo said they want to do with NX is to make unifed platform like iOS or Android, imagine iPad like home console and iPhone like handheld and you get picture what Nintendo is aiming for. Also such a platform doenst mean just a same game that will be playable on handheld and home console, such a platform can heavy integrate home console and handheld, so for instance we could use handheld like controller for home console or something diffrent.

Such a platform will be much more attractive for users than separate platforms like before, for instance NX home console will be much more attractive because you will have handhelds games on it too, or handheld will have some home console games too, that means such a devices will be much more attractive for consumers than just home console that has only home console games or handheld that has only handheld games. Also I dont think that every game will be cross device game, there will still be some exclusives but definitely biggest number of games will be for both devices.

 

 

Why Nintendo is going for unifed platform!? 

Because in modern age when games require much more resources and development time than before, they cant effectively support two totally different platforms. We already saw this gen when Nintendo struggled hard with constant software droughts and delays, while Sony for instance completely abandoned Vita.

So instead losing time and resources on making two different and separate NSMB, Mario Kart, Smash, Yoshi, Kirby...games for each platform individually, Nintendo can make just one game instead of those two and use that extra time and resources they have in that way and make some other project. That will leave to higher output of games that Nintendo can provide and to much more diverse lineup of games.

Also this could be very attractive for 3rd parties as well, they could develop games that would be sell on two devices in same time.

 

So yes, it necessary for Nintendo and IMO this is very good plan.

That's the question you should be answering. NX isn't necessary if attracting 3rs parties is all Ninty wants. They could continue to make two distinct plats with 3rs parties making home console games and Ninty focusing on handheld output. What is different dude about Wiiu and 3DS? I never get examples, yet I give examples. Miiverse and you can now link profiles(unified accounts) already. Why are people like you trying to downplay their integration(WiiU and 3DS)?  3DS can already be used in Smash as a controller lol, if that was a big deal they would take it even further in their current plats. Crossbuy already exist to some extent but it's not that necessary in plats that have different libraries. What you're preaching is stuff Ninty could already do. You mention a more attractive plat to 3rds, so you expect a handheld that can handle XB1/PS4 support? I would love that but that sounds unlikely, which brings me back to the point of the thread. The question I left remaining in the op.



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curl-6 said:

Handhelds are dying, there's no point in NIntendo wasting their fortunes trying to avert the inevitable. Better to invest in a market that actually has a future. (Consoles)

Why doesn't Japan reflect this?



Ljink96 said:

Here we go again. Killing before conception. Give it a rest. I know we're all in a frizz about NX but until NINTENDO says something about the console's concept, I'm not going to deem how worthy or unnecessary it is. Not yet, not while only 1% of info has been confirmed by Nintendo.

No need to post if you don't even bother to read the thread. I'm not "killing" NX, I'm simply asking is NX necessary if attracting 3rd parties is all Nintys after?



I feel scammed with Wii U so i won't buy any nintendo's console.



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For the players? Nope.
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Nintyfan90 said:

       Is NX even necessary if all Ninty is doing is making a platform that can handle multiplats? Why exactly would Ninty need to make their plats more integrated if 3rd party support is all their after?

       So in order to answer this question we need to first know what NX is for. The only thing we know for sure about NX is simply its suppose to make Nintys handheld and home plats much more integrated. How much more could Ninty's plats become more integrated? 3DS and WiiU already share alot, alot of the same franchises even some of the same games(Smash, Hyrule Warriors). Cross buy is already a thing and it only makes sense between the same games(see Smash dlc). Cross buy wouldnt work very well for say MK7 and MK8. Are they talking about more franchises crossing over from one side to the other? If so, wouldnt that be a more internal theme in Nintendo? Porting franchises back and forth is hardly something to name as the headlining theme of your plat. That was the point from the very beginning, starting with Gameboy playing portable versions of the NES games. Now you can take your favorite franchises with you on the go was clearly the GBs selling point, so what would be so different now? The OS are more or less the same, Miiverse is no longer exclusive to WiiU and has been that way for a while now. So what is so much more integrated about NX? NXs integration has to be even further than all of that. Why would Ninty take such a leap, just to gain 3rd party support for their home consoles? When has Ninty shown so much love to their home console side? This leads me to my next issue with so much home console bias.

        Wouldnt this also make Nintys handhelds less attractive? NX being even further integrated than what I described above just doesnt make any sense. The home console would be significanly more attractive and lead to less handheld sells due to all the over the top integration. Even if the integration isnt over the top, all the exclusives the handhelds had would be loss. Leading to more lost handheld sells and a less attractive handheld making it even easier for smartphones and tablets to further erode the dedicated handheld market. So now NX not only has to make up for the dying home console side of Ninty but also the further decreasing handheld side in an even more competitive space? Good luck with that NInty! Nintendo would probably loose their strong hold on Japan because now things are on even playing grounds with Sony. So all in all Ninty would be producing a less attractive handheld all for a more attractive home console in a market Ninty has some very strong consistent competition? When the truth is Ninty pumping out more games for home consoles is unnecessary if 3rd parties are on board, because 3rd parties would already have it covered.

       Basically people, wouldnt it make more sense for Ninty to instead shift more resources towards their handhelds and let the 3rd parties do all the work? Why not try to save both sides? Resources need to be shifted towards the handheld side due to the war against smartphones, while 3rd parties can keep the home console side afloat with the occasional Ninty first party major release sprinkled in. It would be 90% to 10% in favor of handhelds due to 3rd parties not being there to support it. The home consoles would still get things like MK, NSMB, 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, 3D Metroid, Star Fox, and ofcourse Smash. The handheld side would just receive everything else making NX unnecassary. Further integration only leads to a less attractive handheld in this scenario of NX attracting 3rd parties. Im not even convinced a home console from Ninty would sell more than 3DS!

1. We only know a fraction of what Nintendo's intentions are for the NX. That they want more 3rd party support is a no-brainer, but you can bet that's not what the NX is purely going to be about. We also know where the NX stands in terms of the plans with DeNA, but as far as I know, there's been no absolute confirmation as to what NX will mean in terms of handheld vs home console.

2. Sure, the Wii U and 3DS interact, but there's still a lot further Nintendo could go. Like making th handheld and the home console two features of the same machine. It could be argued that the Gamepad being the Wii U's second screen is already a step in that direction, concept wise. Of course, we still don't know if this strategy is what they have in mind for the NX. But speculating about whether integrating the NX with other platforms will kill off Nintendo's handheld market is a waste of time until more details of the NX are revealed.

3. I think that the reason you're questioning all of this in the first place is because you're not taking into account that there are still huge unknowns about what form the NX will take and what it will be capable of. Nintendo 'pumping out more games for the home console' is not unnecessary if 3rd parties are on board, and can only be a good thing. Nintendo merged its Wii U and 3DS hardware divisions in 2013 in order to further integrate the two. I can't see them taking a step backwards in that regard.



Nintyfan90 said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

Actually 3DS and Wii U dont share almost anything, they are completely separate platforms, with seperate OS-s, separate account, different architectures, different games..

What Nintendo said they want to do with NX is to make unifed platform like iOS or Android, imagine iPad like home console and iPhone like handheld and you get picture what Nintendo is aiming for. Also such a platform doenst mean just a same game that will be playable on handheld and home console, such a platform can heavy integrate home console and handheld, so for instance we could use handheld like controller for home console or something diffrent.

Such a platform will be much more attractive for users than separate platforms like before, for instance NX home console will be much more attractive because you will have handhelds games on it too, or handheld will have some home console games too, that means such a devices will be much more attractive for consumers than just home console that has only home console games or handheld that has only handheld games. Also I dont think that every game will be cross device game, there will still be some exclusives but definitely biggest number of games will be for both devices.

 

 

Why Nintendo is going for unifed platform!? 

Because in modern age when games require much more resources and development time than before, they cant effectively support two totally different platforms. We already saw this gen when Nintendo struggled hard with constant software droughts and delays, while Sony for instance completely abandoned Vita.

So instead losing time and resources on making two different and separate NSMB, Mario Kart, Smash, Yoshi, Kirby...games for each platform individually, Nintendo can make just one game instead of those two and use that extra time and resources they have in that way and make some other project. That will leave to higher output of games that Nintendo can provide and to much more diverse lineup of games.

Also this could be very attractive for 3rd parties as well, they could develop games that would be sell on two devices in same time.

 

So yes, it necessary for Nintendo and IMO this is very good plan.

That's the question you should be answering. NX isn't necessary if attracting 3rs parties is all Ninty wants. They could continue to make two distinct plats with 3rs parties making home console games and Ninty focusing on handheld output. What is different dude about Wiiu and 3DS? I never get examples, yet I give examples. Miiverse and you can now link profiles(unified accounts) already. Why are people like you trying to downplay their integration(WiiU and 3DS)?  3DS can already be used in Smash as a controller lol, if that was a big deal they would take it even further in their current plats. Crossbuy already exist to some extent but it's not that necessary in plats that have different libraries. What you're preaching is stuff Ninty could already do. You mention a more attractive plat to 3rds, so you expect a handheld that can handle XB1/PS4 support? I would love that but that sounds unlikely, which brings me back to the point of the thread. The question I left remaining in the op.

I don't think Nintendo doing on first place unified platform because 3rd party, they doing because themself, but definitely 3rd party also could can benefit from platform like that.

What difference between Wii U and 3DS?! Everything, only thing they have common is Miiverse and nothing more. They literally don't have any integration except you can use 3DS like controller on Wii U in one single game.

When I said that NX handheld will much more attractive when have home console game too I meant on Nintendo home console games on first place, but definitely there will be some 3rd parties too.

Again, main point of unified platform is that in that way Nintendo can provide higher number of more diversity games, and handheld that have home console games too, and home console that has handheld games too will be much more attractive products that just handheld that handheld games and home console that has home consoles games.

 

Like I wrote, IMO this is great plan and Nintendo definitely need to do that.



How many threads like this is too much? Wait untill we have more than no information about the system.



Well, if we want more Ninten games in the future, a next console is going to be necessary, whether this year, or a lil later.



 

              

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Handhelds will be fine in japan and nintendo should actually have a chance of competing in the rest of the world.
At least I look forward to playing some games that I wouldn´t consider playing if they were restricted to handheld devices.