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Rpruett said:
Volterra_90 said:

He speaks for himself actually. I have no need to explain myself so I will let him explain himself :P

 

EDIT: Don't mind the comments, I'm just interested on what Donald Trump said. I think it speaks for itself. 

Elaborate -- Nothing really was shown here.

Remove Obamacare, Eradicate ISIS,  Build a Southern Wall,  find people to fill positions that are actually competent and capable.   That was what I viewed on the first video.

Second video,  was essentially a regular rally that was calling Trump racist for some random audience member yelling "White Power".    Which given the track record for Trump rallies,  it probably was some leftist trying to interrupt.  

Yeah, I couldn't find a video which elaborate more on that really (I guess that's lost somewhere on YT xDD), but I read an article with his quotes in that rally and I think it was very pathetic. And just the comment of building a southern wall, and talking about it with PROUD of his great project, is disgusting. It's the attitude of that speech, even more that the idea which I find questionable. 



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Ruler said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
As much fun as it would be to see Trump nominated as the GOP candidate and thus, destroyed by a real politician during national debates, it's not going to happen. He knows it's not going to happen. The only people who don't know are his "followers".

real politicians? Hillary Clinton is not a real politician

I wasn't referring to anyone specific but even she'd make him look silly. Trump isn't a politician. He hasn't spent his whole life in front of national media, debating things like health care and education like most seasoned political figures. The moment he couldn't just throw a talking point out there that someone wrote up for him, and he was made to fend for himself against someone who has made a career out of it, he'd fall apart like a poorly glued together childrens toy.

Anyone can pander to racists,bigots, war hawks etc. Build a wall, send them back, blow shit up, kick ass and take names, make "merica" good again... it's all so easy right now. But again, having to see him talk in depth, on his own, about getting poor people health coverage and health care... that takes skill and he doesn't have that. The guy is playing to a loud minority. To win, you have to play to the majority.. the middle... 



AlfredoTurkey said:
Ruler said:

real politicians? Hillary Clinton is not a real politician

I wasn't referring to anyone specific but even she'd make him look silly. Trump isn't a politician. He hasn't spent his whole life in front of national media, debating things like health care and education like most seasoned political figures. The moment he couldn't just throw a talking point out there that someone wrote up for him, and he was made to fend for himself against someone who has made a career out of it, he'd fall apart like a poorly glued together childrens toy.

Anyone can pander to racists,bigots, war hawks etc. Build a wall, send them back, blow shit up, kick ass and take names, make "merica" good again... it's all so easy right now. But again, having to see him talk in depth, on his own, about getting poor people health coverage and health care... that takes skill and he doesn't have that. The guy is playing to a loud minority. To win, you have to play to the majority.. the middle... 

he isnt a warhawk, Hillary Clinton is. He made himself a billionair while Hillary lives from tax payers, he has more credibility 



McDonaldsGuy said:
Volterra_90 said:

I get that the Middle East is a conflictive area, so I quite understand why they're doing that. But it's not like I support them. We'll have to stop building walls, because this situation creates hate both sides of the walls. That's not healthy. If we continue to build more, the cycle will never stop. I truly believe that what we need is education and cultural understanding, and that's the way to understand ourselves, to understand other cultures. Not promoting hate against a race and just keep them outside like it's the Black Death or something. People like Trump take advantage of this fear to win supporters.

You keep saying it "creates" hate but have you ever thought the hate is already there?

Would you allow me to live in your house? Yes or no?

Why is it that Israelites like George Soros say borders are a bad thing in Europe, but Israel needs a border wall? Think about it long and hard.

Yeah, the hate is there, but you can analise all the reasons for that hate carefully, and its origin, and most of them will indicate something related with colonialism and/or borders. Israel-Palestine situation, for example. USA-Mexico. USA- Cuba, with the commercial blocade. There are an awful lot of cases regarding borders, which started to create hate and fear amongs the population. And Soros is known for not supporting Israel, so I don't quite get your point.



Ruler said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
As much fun as it would be to see Trump nominated as the GOP candidate and thus, destroyed by a real politician during national debates, it's not going to happen. He knows it's not going to happen. The only people who don't know are his "followers".

real politicians? Hillary Clinton is not a real politician

Agreed.

And as much as I dont like DT, he is pretty much spot on in the OP video. He is exposing it in a childish, and outgoing manner, but that does not change the fact... It is sad when you have the worlds leading power and this is one of the best presidential nominees they can gather.



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Volterra_90 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

 

Here is Israel's border wall:

Mexico deports more illegal Central Americans than the USA does: http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-now-deports-more-central-americans-than-the-us-2015-6

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico now deports more Central American migrants than the United States, a dramatic shift since the U.S. asked Mexico for help a year ago with a spike in illegal migration, especially among unaccompanied minors.

Do you know why these countries protect their borders?

I get that the Middle East is a conflictive area, so I quite understand why they're doing that. But it's not like I support them. We'll have to stop building walls, because this situation creates hate both sides of the walls. That's not healthy. If we continue to build more, the cycle will never stop. I truly believe that what we need is education and cultural understanding, and that's the way to understand ourselves, to understand other cultures. Not promoting hate against a race and just keep them outside like it's the Black Death or something. People like Trump take advantage of this fear to win supporters.

It's about being one of the most desirable countries in the world to live in from an economic standpoint.   Lots of people want to enter your country.  Lots of people want to experience that "lifestyle".   Unfortunately,  you can't allow everyone in.  It needs to be controlled and maintained,  allowing massive illegal immigration enter your country is a sure-fire way to have a whole host of problems. (Economically, Criminally, etc).

It's about rule of law.   Why do illegal mexican immigrants who break our laws the moment they cross into the country because they 'want to' get higher priority over the indian mother of (3) with her masters degree who has been waiting 5 years to legally immigrate into the country?   In what world is that fair to you?  

Trump isn't taking advantage of fear, he's taking advantage of common sense that you've never heard uttered by politicians publicly before because of that, people believe he's speaking more truthfully and telling it to them straight.   



Ruler said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

I wasn't referring to anyone specific but even she'd make him look silly. Trump isn't a politician. He hasn't spent his whole life in front of national media, debating things like health care and education like most seasoned political figures. The moment he couldn't just throw a talking point out there that someone wrote up for him, and he was made to fend for himself against someone who has made a career out of it, he'd fall apart like a poorly glued together childrens toy.

Anyone can pander to racists,bigots, war hawks etc. Build a wall, send them back, blow shit up, kick ass and take names, make "merica" good again... it's all so easy right now. But again, having to see him talk in depth, on his own, about getting poor people health coverage and health care... that takes skill and he doesn't have that. The guy is playing to a loud minority. To win, you have to play to the majority.. the middle... 

he isnt a warhawk, Hillary Clinton is. He made himself a billionair while Hillary lives from tax payers, he has more credibility 

I don't support Clinton but two points on Trump I'd like to adress. First, he didn't make himself anything. His father did, and he was lucky enough to have been his son. Second, I'm not so sure "billionaire" is what this country needs right now. When you have people living on the street, starving to death and unable to get health care to cure the pneumonia that set in, thanks to not having said place to live, I think worrying about making more money is the least of our problems. When you have kids with high IQs who would otherwise become great members of society if not born into famlies where neither parent gives a shit... again, making boat loads of capital is the probably the least of our worries.

Having said all of this, Trump, again, isn't a politician. Less than a decade ago, the guy was a reality TV personality for crying out loud. He's an entertainer, not someone with the tact or experience to run the free world and solve serious issues. He knows he'd look silly in a national debate. He knows he can't win over rational, middle thinking swing voters. He knows he's not winning the nomination. This is about making money before bowing out.. nothing more. 



McDonaldsGuy said:
KungKras said:

You had me at Cheney, lost me at Rothschild.

Cheney was nothing more than a puppet. Had no real power.

He was definitely the driving force behing the Bush administration.



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KungKras said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

Cheney was nothing more than a puppet. Had no real power.

He was definitely the driving force behing the Bush administration.

Nah, that's Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, etc. etc. Not Cheney.



McDonaldsGuy said:

 

Volterra_90 said:

Yeah, they're assholes, it's not a question of race xDDDDDDD. People must be spending their resources on cultural understanding, not on borders and frontiers between people. This only creates hate, and the cycle of hate will never stop.

Here is Israel's border wall:

Mexico deports more illegal Central Americans than the USA does: http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-now-deports-more-central-americans-than-the-us-2015-6

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico now deports more Central American migrants than the United States, a dramatic shift since the U.S. asked Mexico for help a year ago with a spike in illegal migration, especially among unaccompanied minors.

Do you know why these countries protect their borders?

Not sure you really want to be looking to Saudia Arabia or Israel for advice on border considering the host ofproblems they both have. The Israel wall is approx. 430 miles. The Saudia Arabia-Iraq fencing/wall is 560 miles. 

The US-Mexico border in just under 2000 miles. How exactly would Trump pay for this? How feasible a plan would it actually be? Please don't say he'd make Mexico pay for it because that would never happen in the real world. Besides, I think the US has plenty of other areas they could spend the money on.