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Puppyroach said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Well, a lot of Socialists seem to pull the racist/fascist card whenever they wish to display their ignorance.

You are one of the main reasons why Trump has been so successful in the first place, but I guess inventing evils and making big deals out of non-issues just to be able to combat them and have something to fight for, is one of few things keeping left-wing political movements relevant in this day and age.

Well, I am a liberal, not socialist :). And I don't care if me calling him a xenophobic fascist gets people to flock around him, as long as I stand by my opinion instead of adjusting to peoples prejudice. A person who want to deport 11 million human beings, who want to ban people of a specific religion and make broad assumptions of Mexicans, is a xenophobic fascist. He can still claim that he want to ban Muslims because of the crisis in the middle east, but its still fascism and xenophobia.

You may not identify as a socialist, but you certainly employ their arguments.

He wants to deport illegal immigrants. A person wanting to uphold the law shouldn't be controversial, but I guess anything is possible when people use their emotions as arguments. 

His suggested temporary ban of Muslims entering the country can and should be interpreted as not letting people in from the Muslim countries that refugees and potental terrorists are fleeing from, as there is obviously no way of checking someones beliefs. Criticizing his idea is fair, but the idea is hardly racist or fascist.

As for these broad assumptions that you speak of, they all concerned illegal immigrants; People who by default are criminals. Did he go too far? Yes, I'd say so. But once again race has nothing to do with this issue.

 

I don't agree with Trump on a lot of issues (such as abortion and gay marriage) and to be honest I don't think he agrees with a lot of what he says himself, but his stance against political correctness and SJW ideals alone is enough to earn my support. People (in particular people with high political influence) labelling their opponents racist, sexist and fascist (three horrible accusations) instead of partaking in constructive debates deserve no respect. Trump's generalizations are bad, but they at least spark discussion on topics that most people wouldn't even dare to talk about because of all these labels being thrown around by people such as yourself.



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Volterra_90 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

Who do you think Trump really is? Explain what you mean.

He speaks for himself actually. I have no need to explain myself so I will let him explain himself :P

 

 

EDIT: Don't mind the comments, I'm just interested on what Donald Trump said. I think it speaks for itself. 

There's nothing "racist" about that rally. You people screaming "racist" over everything is making the word not have any meaning anymore.

And the wall isn't a silly idea.



Puppyroach said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Well, a lot of Socialists seem to pull the racist/fascist card whenever they wish to display their ignorance.

You are one of the main reasons why Trump has been so successful in the first place, but I guess inventing evils and making big deals out of non-issues just to be able to combat them and have something to fight for, is one of few things keeping left-wing political movements relevant in this day and age.

Well, I am a liberal, not socialist :). And I don't care if me calling him a xenophobic fascist gets people to flock around him, as long as I stand by my opinion instead of adjusting to peoples prejudice. A person who want to deport 11 million human beings, who want to ban people of a specific religion and make broad assumptions of Mexicans, is a xenophobic fascist. He can still claim that he want to ban Muslims because of the crisis in the middle east, but its still fascism and xenophobia.

Fairly hyperbolic. Trump is a populist similar to a lot of politicians in modern Europe with a cult of personality of sorts, like Putin. His ideas are a mix of centre, right and even some left wing to american voters (making him closer to Kasich and early 00's Republicans than any other candidate). Calling him a fascist can be rebutted and is a easy way to be discredited as a critic of his persona. It was exactly this way that evoking comparisons to Hitler became a fallacy discredited by the entire political spectrum, not to mention it bellitled the tragedies that came from national socialism or real fascist regimes around the world.

And no, claiming you need to stand by your opinion doesn't exempt you. It's merely a cheap misdirection to dispense you from any logical discussion on the subject.



 

 

 

 

 

McDonaldsGuy said:
Volterra_90 said:

He speaks for himself actually. I have no need to explain myself so I will let him explain himself :P

 

 

EDIT: Don't mind the comments, I'm just interested on what Donald Trump said. I think it speaks for itself. 

There's nothing "racist" about that rally. You people screaming "racist" over everything is making the word not have any meaning anymore.

And the wall isn't a silly idea.

I didn't find the video where he says the things that random guys said he did, but I definitely read about them and I thought it was disgusting. But, as I said, his words are out there to analyse, and if he becomes the president, his actions will prove me wrong or right. I honestly think he's a joke. And everything he says upsets me. But you're in your right to like him, and I'm in my right to dislike him. His actions will prove who's wrong about him.



Im definetly not a trump supporter, but what he said about the middle east is true.



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foodfather said:
There's no need to attack Bush, really he was just a puppet figure, not even a real president. The puppeteer was Cheney. Puppetmaster was Rothschild.

You had me at Cheney, lost me at Rothschild.



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KungKras said:
foodfather said:
There's no need to attack Bush, really he was just a puppet figure, not even a real president. The puppeteer was Cheney. Puppetmaster was Rothschild.

You had me at Cheney, lost me at Rothschild.

Cheney was nothing more than a puppet. Had no real power.



Volterra_90 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

There's nothing "racist" about that rally. You people screaming "racist" over everything is making the word not have any meaning anymore.

And the wall isn't a silly idea.

I didn't find the video where he says the things that random guys said he did, but I definitely read about them and I thought it was disgusting. But, as I said, his words are out there to analyse, and if he becomes the president, his actions will prove me wrong or right. I honestly think he's a joke. And everything he says upsets me. But you're in your right to like him, and I'm in my right to dislike him. His actions will prove who's wrong about him.

What does he say that upsets you? That's strage. He's pro-American.



Aura7541 said:

You say you're a liberal, but what your comments from the Sweden thread say otherwise...

And you do know that phobia means an irrational fear, not a fear. Considering what has been going on in the Middle East (and the MENA region, in general), Germany, and Sweden, the concern is rather valid. If you want to use the word xenophobia, apply it in the correct context rather than using it as a buzzword for character assassination.

No, being a liberal and being for open immigration policies are very much the match made in heaven :).

Yes, he has an irrational fear of muslims. Banning people of an ENTIRE religion consisting of 1.5 billion people based on what a small, small percentage does, is weak and irrational.

In Sweden, we have far more issues with right-wing extremists protesting in the streets, assulting women and kids and setting fire to asylum camps than we have with muslims. Still, I wouldn´t ban all right-wing people because of what a few does. Simply because I´m not irrational, but rather a rational human being who understands that the world is more complex.



As much fun as it would be to see Trump nominated as the GOP candidate and thus, destroyed by a real politician during national debates, it's not going to happen. He knows it's not going to happen. The only people who don't know are his "followers".