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thranx said:
deskpro2k3 said:
No. I just don't understand Trump. He wants to ban Muslims, Mexicans etc, and then we have this news. (below)

Saudi Arabian Prince bailed Out Donald Trump in 1995.

http://mic.com/articles/130280/saudi-prince-who-bailed-out-donald-trump-calls-on-him-to-quit-presidential-campaign#.mdCuOWBNh



If by some weird chance he does win, it'll be like Saturday Night Live, live in The White House 24/7

He wants to ban muslims from coming into our country until we can actually give proper backround checks and make sure we are not letting anyone in with terroist ties. Seems very reasonable.

He does not want to ban mexicans. you can't ban mexicans, what would you ban them from?

He wants our immigration policies to be followed and enforced, he want illegal immigrants to be properly deported. we have a method and rules we follow for allowing immigrants into our country, thoe who break the rules should not stay.

We already allow far more immigrants and have an easier path to immigration than almost any other country i know of. Yes in europe you can migrate within its borders, but if mexicans fly over are they free to stay? are they free to become citizens of that country and recieve benifits? or would they be deported back and have to emmigrate properly?



He said he wanted to ban *ALL* muslins from entering the country.  Basically painting all muslins to be potential terrorists. What if he said, let's ban all Blacks or Whites from the USA until we have the right background checks. Absolutely stupid comment from him, and thats the problem, its the blanket statements.

Now if he had said, we are going to temporarily suspend people from country A from entering before background checks, I think people would have been a bit more reasonable with the request. But its the blanket racist/xenophobic comments. I mean he stated that many mexicans were rapists and criminals,... again stupid comment.... no way someone like him should ever get into power... but then this is america.

Also difficult yo take you seriously with that profile picture of yours.

 





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Madword said:
thranx said:

He wants to ban muslims from coming into our country until we can actually give proper backround checks and make sure we are not letting anyone in with terroist ties. Seems very reasonable.

He does not want to ban mexicans. you can't ban mexicans, what would you ban them from?

He wants our immigration policies to be followed and enforced, he want illegal immigrants to be properly deported. we have a method and rules we follow for allowing immigrants into our country, thoe who break the rules should not stay.

We already allow far more immigrants and have an easier path to immigration than almost any other country i know of. Yes in europe you can migrate within its borders, but if mexicans fly over are they free to stay? are they free to become citizens of that country and recieve benifits? or would they be deported back and have to emmigrate properly?



He said he wanted to ban *ALL* muslins from entering the country.  Basically painting all muslins to be potential terrorists. What if he said, let's ban all Blacks or Whites from the USA until we have the right background checks. Absolutely stupid comment from him, and thats the problem, its the blanket statements.

Now if he had said, we are going to temporarily suspend people from country A from entering before background checks, I think people would have been a bit more reasonable with the request. But its the blanket racist/xenophobic comments. I mean he stated that many mexicans were rapists and criminals,... again stupid comment.... no way someone like him should ever get into power... but then this is america.

Also difficult yo take you seriously with that profile picture of yours.

 



What dont like my tattoo? I am a stoner at heart and always will be. better to look at what i write than judge me by my looks.

Nothing to add for the ban on mexicans? or immmigration in general?

 

“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” the billionaire real estate developer said.

 

Sounds reasonable to me. People seem to forget we are at war with radical islam. Its a war we have not conducted like we should have. The terroist attacks in france were not committed by muslims from the middle east, but by muslims born and raised in europe. If europe can produce extremist ass well as the middle east it makes sense to not allow any muslim in that we cant properly backround check. On top of that we have also had homegrown muslim extremist born and raied in the US. So its a worldwide problem that needs a world wide ban until we are properly able to vet and backround check people. Its also one of the reason I would like a secure border, north and south.

 

But hey I have a tattoo and smoke pot, dont listen to me.



America needs more Socialism, not more Fascism. No, Trump should not be an American leader in any capacity.



thranx said:
SecondWar said:
thranx said:
Trump is the kind of president america needs. we dont need a president that is going to bow down to the world like obama has. we are the world leader, and we need a president that acts as such. Not one out to be the cool guy like obama. We need to take action in the middle east, and we need a president with a strong arm to do that, not a weak back bone. And we need a president that can speak his mind freely, and stand by what he says. And lastly we need a president willing to negotiate, and that has experience at it, like a businessman would. Lets go Trump

Seriously? Obama has been rational with the world, rather than trying to dictate Americas will on other countries (well, to a lesser extent at least). Strong arming the world to agree with you is not the path to anything except war.

And what about Trump makes you think he'll negotiate? From what he says, it's his way or the highway. Again, a poor way to act on the world stage. With Trump as President, America will be pushed towards isolationism.

Yes he was real ration with the middle east, with iran, with jerusulum. How is that refugee crisis going over in europe? things sure do look rational over there.

Like I said, the world needs a leader, not a panderer. I dont value most of the worlds opinion to be honest, especially europe. they had their shot at the top and blew it through infighting. With out a strong world leader problems in the middle east will grow, tensions in asia will grow, tensions with russia will grow.

someone who runs a business has no choice but to negotiate at times. Since they can't just do what they want like some politians. Negotiating is one of the most important things in running a business, from employee wages and benifits, to consumer prices, to dealing with city, state, and or international politicians and regulations and rules.

 

I'll give you that that, but I can't see Trump being that leader. He is just too uncompromising. Part of the reason political correctness developed is because of the need for people from opposite sides to find common ground. Granted, there are times when that isn't possible or desirable (Ie with terrorists) but you can't expect countries like China to bow down to Americas will. America developed a poor reputation around most the world over the last few decades because of its interventionism. You may not care how the rest of the world views you, but you should as it impacts on your ability to negotiate with them like you want Trump to. I maintain under his current strategy that he is more likely to alienate key trade partners and thereby push the US towards isolationism.



thranx said:

He wants to ban muslims from coming into our country until we can actually give proper backround checks and make sure we are not letting anyone in with terroist ties. Seems very reasonable.

He does not want to ban mexicans. you can't ban mexicans, what would you ban them from?

He wants our immigration policies to be followed and enforced, he want illegal immigrants to be properly deported. we have a method and rules we follow for allowing immigrants into our country, thoe who break the rules should not stay.

We already allow far more immigrants and have an easier path to immigration than almost any other country i know of. Yes in europe you can migrate within its borders, but if mexicans fly over are they free to stay? are they free to become citizens of that country and recieve benifits? or would they be deported back and have to emmigrate properly?



You're inferring a lot from his sound bites. How is he supposed implement even half of what you said? Has he actually outlined in detail any of his policies rather than your typical politician's sound-bites?

@ bolded

You haven't been paying much attention to the refugee/migrant crisis and all the people from Africe and the Middle-East coming over.

OT: This whole thread shows how much of a joke politics in the US has become. The fact that this question is even asked is absurd.



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thranx said:

What dont like my tattoo? I am a stoner at heart and always will be. better to look at what i write than judge me by my looks.

Nothing to add for the ban on mexicans? or immmigration in general?

 

“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” the billionaire real estate developer said.

 

Sounds reasonable to me. People seem to forget we are at war with radical islam. Its a war we have not conducted like we should have. The terroist attacks in france were not committed by muslims from the middle east, but by muslims born and raised in europe. If europe can produce extremist ass well as the middle east it makes sense to not allow any muslim in that we cant properly backround check. On top of that we have also had homegrown muslim extremist born and raied in the US. So its a worldwide problem that needs a world wide ban until we are properly able to vet and backround check people. Its also one of the reason I would like a secure border, north and south.

 

But hey I have a tattoo and smoke pot, dont listen to me.

Yeah...I dont like stoners.... if thats really your tattoo then I do feel sorry for you.

Trump is just an idiot. 

There are many white/black killers/terrorists in the USA... he doesnt want to ban guns or those people though... it's selective thinking that's just trying to get a sound bite. More people were killed by guns than terrorists each year, but hey lets not ban those...





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SecondWar said:
thranx said:
SecondWar said:
thranx said:
Trump is the kind of president america needs. we dont need a president that is going to bow down to the world like obama has. we are the world leader, and we need a president that acts as such. Not one out to be the cool guy like obama. We need to take action in the middle east, and we need a president with a strong arm to do that, not a weak back bone. And we need a president that can speak his mind freely, and stand by what he says. And lastly we need a president willing to negotiate, and that has experience at it, like a businessman would. Lets go Trump

Seriously? Obama has been rational with the world, rather than trying to dictate Americas will on other countries (well, to a lesser extent at least). Strong arming the world to agree with you is not the path to anything except war.

And what about Trump makes you think he'll negotiate? From what he says, it's his way or the highway. Again, a poor way to act on the world stage. With Trump as President, America will be pushed towards isolationism.

Yes he was real ration with the middle east, with iran, with jerusulum. How is that refugee crisis going over in europe? things sure do look rational over there.

Like I said, the world needs a leader, not a panderer. I dont value most of the worlds opinion to be honest, especially europe. they had their shot at the top and blew it through infighting. With out a strong world leader problems in the middle east will grow, tensions in asia will grow, tensions with russia will grow.

someone who runs a business has no choice but to negotiate at times. Since they can't just do what they want like some politians. Negotiating is one of the most important things in running a business, from employee wages and benifits, to consumer prices, to dealing with city, state, and or international politicians and regulations and rules.

 

I'll give you that that, but I can't see Trump being that leader. He is just too uncompromising. Part of the reason political correctness developed is because of the need for people from opposite sides to find common ground. Granted, there are times when that isn't possible or desirable (Ie with terrorists) but you can't expect countries like China to bow down to Americas will. America developed a poor reputation around most the world over the last few decades because of its interventionism. You may not care how the rest of the world views you, but you should as it impacts on your ability to negotiate with them like you want Trump to. I maintain under his current strategy that he is more likely to alienate key trade partners and thereby push the US towards isolationism.

 

POltical correctness did not come about to find common ground. It came about because people grew thin skins from having an easy life and not realizing what the rest of the world goes through. easy to be pc in your nice living space in america. In fact political correctness has made it harder to find common ground, its a your with us or against us mentality. Speaking openly and plainly is what will solve problems and open discussion, not holding back for fear of being labled a rascist or homophobe. Look at trump, he is being called a rascist for wanting to end illegal immigration.

I dont expect any country to bow down to the US. I expect that countries will do what is best for them at all times, and having a strong army, that is abel to project its force is a huge deal with dealing with china, and russia and the middle east. Do you think china would be trying to raise tensions in the pacific if we had a strong american president that would call them out on it? Do you think our trade partners in the pacific feel safe with china flexing its muscle and laying claim to new areas? If I was a european I would feel the least dafe right now than any other time after ww2. You guys are dealing with refugee crisis, the middle east seems to be at its least stable, and russia is knowcking on your doors. I would honestly be pretty afraid.



The simple answer is no. He might as well run with Sarah Palin. There aren't enough rednecks in USA to elect them.  It would be funny at first and then probably make me depressed that it has come to this.



thranx said:                                

 

What dont like my tattoo? I am a stoner at heart and always will be. better to look at what i write than judge me by my looks.

You mean, kind of how we maybe should look at what people of muslim faith in your country do (fighting for the US in wars, working, raising kids) instead of judging them by the color of their skin?

You do also know that Trump hasn´t ruled out that any muslim who is an american citizen and leaves the country, might not be allowed to re-enter?





thranx said:
deskpro2k3 said:
No. I just don't understand Trump. He wants to ban Muslims, Mexicans etc, and then we have this news. (below)

Saudi Arabian Prince bailed Out Donald Trump in 1995.

http://mic.com/articles/130280/saudi-prince-who-bailed-out-donald-trump-calls-on-him-to-quit-presidential-campaign#.mdCuOWBNh



If by some weird chance he does win, it'll be like Saturday Night Live, live in The White House 24/7

He wants to ban muslims from coming into our country until we can actually give proper backround checks and make sure we are not letting anyone in with terroist ties. we figure out what's going on

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