gatito said:
You're overestimating what Rey did at the end of the movie. Resisting a little mind reading, toying with some random Stormtrooper's mind, partially defeating a wounded evil dude. That's just the beginning of her journey. Also, I don't think anyone's playing the sexism card here, as no one's claiming you are inherently sexist because you don't like Rey. People are judging her differently because she's a woman, and that is a fact. |
Two words: Fury Road
Wright said:
I like his Star Trek movies. He pulled out that parallel universe not to conflict with the originals, and so he's good to do whatever he wants without screwing up the legacy. Also, I found them entertaining to watch. |
Same here.
While I can't really call myself a Trekkie as I never had a great love for the tOS (I did watch most of the tOS based movies) and didn't really enjoy Star Trek until TNG, there is a lot to be liked within the franchise, particularly for the sci-fi minded viewer.
And while any good sci-fi puts everything within human context to make it relatable, it co-exists with probable science themes and concepts. This is where the new Star Trek falls short, which is typically the main point of contention with Trekkies.
The characters and interactions are there (space drama) but the sci-fi themes have largely been replaced with action and overwhelming visuals, leaving viewers with more of a space action adventure genre than anything else. Minus the more fantasy and mythology oriented elements of Star Wars, the two franchises share more in common than they ever have.
Azuren said:
Except the only thing wrong with the Star Trek movies was the casting for Khan, and TFA is a great movie. |
As usual, you get it right.
Azuren said:
Except the only thing wrong with the Star Trek movies was the casting for Khan, and TFA is a great movie. |
As usual, you get it right.
Insidb said:
As usual, you get it right. |
Insidb said:
As usual, you get it right. |
Was he so right you had the need to tell him twice? 
With regards to TFA, if Rey had been another boy there might have been more complaints, particularly in regards to recreating Luke Skywalker. It really would change the context of the film, particularly at the end.
Only a tiny percentage of the critics take umbrage over the use a female protagonist hero, and only a minority percentage of those are doing so out of misogynist viewpoints, whether deliberate or subconscious.
Soundwave said:
Leia isn't really that 'strong' of a character. She needs to be rescued in the first film and she's largely reliant on Luke or Han to do anything. She also knows how to get down in a metal string bikini for the amusement of the male audience too. Her character is tertiary to the plot, Rey is the first Star Wars female character around whom the plot actually centers around. If she had penis and looked like Mad Max's character (a desert scavenging bad ass) I'd bet money that a lot of this criticism would be muted, because "dood! he's a bad ass, and obvisouly he's prolly Luke's son! Can't wait for Episode VIII". But there's an awful lot of butt hurt that a little girl beat up the "bad ass" Sith, this violates some serious tenants of male Star Wars insecurities. The woman is too masculine and strong, the "evil guy in a robe" is too weak, this upsets some people. Also who's to say the Force manifests itself equally in siblings? A person who is a tremendous athlete with great genetics may have one kid that (to no one's big surprise) turns out to be a very good athlete, and may have another child that turns out to be a fat slob. We don't know if Rey has had any Force training either, she obviously has repressed memories, she fairly obviously may have been at Luke's Jedi academy too. She may have much more training than Anakin -- who was the only human to be able to race pods at 9 years old at 1000 mph while building protocol droids for fun and oh yeah his mom randomly got impregnanted with the Force, oh he also blows up the Trade Federation command ship at the end of the first film with zero training (NO NOTHING CRAZY ABOUT THAT Star Wars fans). And then there's Luke who manages to out run the best pilot in the galaxy (Vader) and blow up a giant space station *with his eyes closed!* after "training" with a blast shield for all of 10 minutes, lol. Goes from learning about the Force the day earlier to saving the galaxy 24 hours later with his eyes closed, outdoing the Rebellion's best pilots who likely have hundreds of flight hours on him. Sure. Sure. |
Leia isn't really that strong of a character??? Somebody need to go back and re-watch A New Hope and Empire...
At the beginning of ANH, she's established as not just your typical "damsel in distress" princess, but a political leader of the Rebellion who remains defiant against Vader and the Empire to the (would be) bitter end, refusing to give up the location of the rebel base even as they threaten her home planet with annihilation (something that "stronge male character" Po did when being interrogated by Kylo Ren to give up the location of the map to Luke in Episode VII); she helps Luke Han and Chewie out of a jam when they get cornered in the detention block; she then resumes her role as one of the leaders of the Rebel Alliance during the attack on the Death Star and later the battle on Hoth - recall her scene on Hoth laying out the battle plans to all the male speeder pilots and fighters... I'm sure alot of sexist fanboys were butthurt about all the men taking orders from a woman too /sarc; and then aiding in the attempted rescue of Han on Cloud City and later back at Jabba's palace, where she single handedly murdered the big slob himself.
But yeah, she's completely helpless without a man by her side and is just there for the "amusement" of the male audience. Totally a minor character in the grand scheme of things.
As for comparing Rey's actions in VII to that of 8 year old Anakin's in Episode I... you're not doing yourself any favors by comparing the latest SW film to arguably the worst in the series, one of the many reasons it earns the title being of course the "character" of Young Anakin and the ridiculousness of the plot itself.
And Luke was already established as a decent pilot who could "bullseye womprats with his T-16" before joining the rebels' attack on the Death Star... it's not like he took the helm of the Millenum Falcon in ANH and within 5 minutes could basically replace the roles of Han and Chewie on the ship in terms of both piloting and maintaining / repairing it.
On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.
This is the best response to SW:TFA criticisms that I have seen.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/tired-of-complaints-about-star-wars-the-force-awakens-plot-holes-read-this-20160107
| Wright said:
Was he so right you had the need to tell him twice? |
Two Wrights do make an airplane lol.
thismeintiel said:
Yet, more poor excuses for lazy writing. Sounds just like the fans of the prequels when they released. And even though the prequels did the stupid "Anakin is basically Jedi Jesus" they had enough sense to NOT have him master everything on his own, in the matter of a few days of finding out about the Force. It took him years to pull off the crap Rey is doing. Same goes for Luke. So, yes, it is a stretch you can go 0-Jedi in under 48 hours. And she did a lot more than pull a lightsaber and trick a stormtrooper. She stopped a trained Jedi from reading her thoughts, while seeing into his. She did a mind trick, something Luke could only do til movie 3 in the OG trilogy. She used it to defeat a trained Jedi/Sith in a lightsaber battle. And that said lightsaber was not just laying there, a trained Jedi/Sith was trying to pull it towards him at the time. The true sad thing is that no one would be defending this poor writing if it was a man. They would have expected more. And they have been given more in the past. But because it wasn't, we have to have those that sympatize with the modern feminist movement defending because of... uh...sexism. And don't post NC like he's the end all be all on opinions. His is also a poor excuse. You can do something different AND it be good. Many movies have proven this before. With that thinking Empire and Jedi should have been exactly like Hope, with slight changes, and would have been exceptable. Many people have even given suggestions for what they could have done to this movie to make it different, but not seem like a paint by numbers, and quite a few of them have been very good. Sadly, Hollywood likes to keep playing it safe and/or played out, and people keep making excuses for them. Yet, some of those same people complain about remakes. Go figure. |
I posted NC because he made a good point at the end, I disagree with his entire review.
The originals, the prequels, and the new trilogy are obviously coming in at different eras and different circumstances. Who the fuck cares that it was like the old ones, the last move came out a decade ago, the first one came out 4 decades ago. It's basically a reboot rather than a continuation anyway. Cause Star Wars isn't aimed for just those who watched the previous ones. After the prequels, how is playing it safe unreasonable? Please. And FYI, I've never complained about remakes, not even TLOU RE. Yeah story wise it was weak, but it had better acting then prequels and better effects than the original.
You keep saying Rey mastered the force, when all she did was beat a wounded sith in training who got shot by a laser cannon and was already established as being weak in the force.
You're exaggerating how proficient she is, she stopped Kylo on accident, neither of them knew she had the force, so Kylo didn't expect any kind of resitance.
I conceded that there was some lazy writing, but your acting like its was impossible for Rey to display any of the force power just because she wasn't trained.
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