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Erik Aston said:
Just watch. One major franchise after another is going to have dissappointing sales on those systems. They simply cannot sell as much as they did last gen on more expensive systems while Wii and DS are the talk of the gaming world. Meanwhile a whole stack of Nintendo-published games will rewrite the top 10 all-time worldwide software shipments list on this site. Third parties can either develop for Wii and DS, or be marginalized on marginalized systems.

I wouldn't yet declare game over just yet for the 360 (the PS3 is very close to being another matter) but I do agree that this year's crop of major non-Wii games will be make or break for the HD systems.  There are a lot of major games hitting the 360 this fall but can a system with only 10-12 million users support all of them?  Is it possible for that small of a base to support so many 3rd parties especially with MS reinvigorating its 1st party line up?  I'll certainly be watching.



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psmcx: Your argument is stupid to begin with, because, had you not be blinded by stupid fanboyism, you would have seen that the article blame all 1st parties. That means Nintendo, but also MS and Sony. Read the article again, instead of saying nonsense like 3rd parties should go to PS3 or XB360 alone. By the article's own admission, they would be meeting their death by doing that. They deserve it anyway, with their ego trip: you can produce only so many AAA $30M games after all, unless you're one of the big boys.



It's possible we may see something similar to THQ's strategy from some publishers: more games overall, the blockbusters reserved for 360/PS3, and expectations of similar revenues but less sales per title. By making the hardware retarded, Nintendo sealed its own fate. It may get FF or MGS, but it won't get the main versions. The problem with focusing on Nintendo's platforms is that they're marginalized even more by Nintendo than they ever would be by developing for the current market leader (not Nintendo) and/or the previous market leader (not Nintendo).



Serves them right for making those stupid Disney games. Damn it I hate those Disney games. A movie comes out, and a crappy Disney game of that movie comes out. And they always get the worst reviews. Then people who try to collect all of the games for one system has to buy those stupid Disney games. 95% of the games out there are utter crap. I feel really bad for collectors.



Shane said:
By making the hardware retarded, Nintendo sealed its own fate.

Yeah, they must be really upset with record amounts of money rolling in.  I bet shareholders are demanding Iwata's head everyday for that fate.  If 3rd parties want to be retarded and not join in the Wii then it's their own fate not Nintendo's that is being sealed.  I seriously doubt the 360 will be able to support every 3rd party's AAA mega title on its own.  Time will tell, we'll see this autumn if the 360 can support a lesser amount.



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actually the reason why less A teams are on the wii is simple ...they are already ON a project. if the Wii continues to sell as well as it has or slightly less (ie still winning ww monthly) as soon as the A team wraps up the current project, i bet alot of wii titles get the A team treatment. xbox360 has gotten alot of A team treatment, alot of devs Banked on the ps3 being highly successful and put alot of A team treatment on that system, and now the games are halfway to mostly done....as soon as they are and are released, (provided the ps3 doesn't explode for sales- and imo it won't) said A team will be getting a Wii project



Too many idiotic posts here. Let me help clear things up a bit.

If 3rd party games suck, they will not sell. This is true of every system not just the Wii. In fact I dont know why this discussion is limited to the Wii. The 360 has even more garbage than the Wii at this point. The PS3 lineup is all garbage at this point. Not a single worthwhile game on that entire console as of yet in my opinion. So this is not a Wii topic, it is an industry topic. 

Since most companies are capitalistic, they will want to develop for which ever system has the largest install base. Period. They dont care if one has a super processor or not. All they care about is their bottom line. To sell games you need an install base. The Wii will gain the support of bigger companies. This is just how capitalism is.

Games made for the Wii can be more complex than anything made for any other system. It all comes down to the game design and the programmers. To say that developing for the Wii is easier only shows that you are either a subpar programmer or dont know anything about the subject. The only difference you will see is in the graphic quality. Thats it. Everything else should be the same if done right. Frankly, developers should be concerned about gameplay anyway which brings us back to the point that most 3rd party games stink, and in the case of the Wii, the games stink not because of bad graphics, but because the game itself stinks.

Good for Nintendo for seeing past the hype and fuss caused by big mouthed graphic whores. Now companies can either learn from this lesson or keep denying it and continue to see their sales plummet across the board. Granted some companies will not go under because of how much money they have but smaller developers might. Ill bet that companies will learn and adapt. Hopefully this means better games on all consoles but for now I have to cheer for Nintendo just for the principle of it.



Nintendo did what was best for Nintendo, as Nintendo always does. They did not take into account how it would impact third parties because they don't care. This was probably the best move for them, but it did ensure they would have trouble getting any key franchises. Install base means nothing if 60-85% of all games sold are first party... unless that install base has the penetration of the DS, and even then it's iffy.



@marc Seeing as you're new here I'll let you in on something, you're never going to clear that up. Some, for whatever reason, refuse to accept that the video game business is a business no matter how many times you point it out or how many times looking at it from a business standpoint predicts what will happen. They've gone through many stages: 1) The Wii will never sell because it's a kiddy system with a stupid name. 2) The Wii was going to launch great because Nintendo systems always do but it'll fall off. 3) Nintendo systems always sell well for the first few months then fall off. 4) It's just a fad, the novelty will shortly wear off. 5) The present sucks, lets talk about which system will potentially still be viable technologically in the 2020's. 6) WOW, the present sucks worse than we could have imagined, well even if the Wii leads it won't sell 3rd party games because they never sell on Nintendo systems (video game history started in 1996 apparently). 7) Aha, lack of 3rd party support because 3rd parties hate the Wii as much as we do and just like us would rather it fail than the 3rd parties make money. The Wii is doomed yet, muahahahaha. Some advice, have fun poking holes in this fantasy universe, just don't expect anything to change except their excuses for why the Wii will fail (after their previous one is proven incorrect).



@marc

An example of my advice.

@shane

A business doing what's most profitable, amazing. Of course Nintendo will still sell 60-85%(?) of games on the Wii even after it has sold 50+ million and is receiving AAA 3rd party games. The SNES and the NES were both very viable platforms for 3rd parties and they met those criterea. The N64 and GCN did not, small user base and lack of 3rd party support limited their sales. 3rd parties are going to have to make games for the Wii, they don't have a choice. the PS3 is going nowhere fast and the 360 will always have a limited user base due to MS' retarded decision to overprice the system. The 360 is not going to be able support 3rd parties alone.  We'll begin to see this autumn just how many the 360 can support and the 3rd parties will begin to see just how much they are going to need the Wii.