Forums - Sales Discussion - Nintendo means bad news for 3rd parties!

Shane said:
Past, present, future, whatever. No difference. Nobody's had much luck on Nintendo platforms since the SNES days, and even then, many of them were chomping at the bit to see what they could do with a less restrictive Sega.


 Might depend upon that N64 was very hard and expensive to devlop on, and had a relative small userbase. GameCube was a joke when it came to userbase. I should know I was one of the few one. The statement is also clearly wrong because DS is good for 3rd parties whatever you say.

It is also wrong because Trauma Center (Wii) is one of the best selling Atlus games in USA. It might not sound much but they have never been that big publisher. The same thing can be said about Majesco which have made a lot of money on cooking mama (both on DS and Wii). It is not only about how many copies you sell it is about profit.

Shane said:
No, not per system. Per title. The average PS3 third party game in Japan is selling more copies (64k) than the average Wii third party game (42k) (when factoring in the Wii games listed here, that figure drops to 34k). Per system, the numbers get a lot bleaker.

True and still 3rd party software sales sucks on PS3 in Japan. The truth here is that neither PS3 nor Wii is pretty good for the moment in Japan. The difference is that on Wii you have a chance to sell to a userbase that is larger than one million.

EDIT: Not only that PS3 tie ratio totally is really really bad, 1.30 compared to Wii:s 2.36. Of course the majorite of the games sold is Nintendo games there but at least Wii owners is buying games.

End of EDIT.

By the way when should you answer my claims about the sales in USA? Because they are damn much better for Wii than PS3 that is for sure.

Shane said:
If people are stupid enough to not realize Wii Play is made by Nintendo, they shouldn't be allowed to play video games unsupervised.

You must be f***ing kidding me. When I bought Baten Kaitos I had no idea who made it, am I retarded for that?

 

EDIT number 2:

How good is DS for 3rd parties? Well looking at the last week (ending 13 May) we find 19 3rd pary titles in the top 50. So please don't tell me that DS is bad for 3rd parties.

Wii had only 1 3rd party title in top 50.

PSP and PS2 had 4 each.

PS3 had none, zero, nada. The first game at all was on spot 74!! That is how good PS3 sells software in Japan.

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Okay guys, Shane is getting teamed up on now. Let's just drop it.

Thank you for remaining composed in your replies, Shane. I may (strongly) disagree, but that much is appreciated, especially when you're arguing against a large group.



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Wii has all the third-party licensed crap like Open Season dragging down its 3rd-party sales averages, too. The numbers can be spun any which way. The only way to tell who's doing better is by who's getting the most new games announced -- that's the real measure of who the devs/pubs think is best for their games. Right now we're seeing a lot of Wii exclusives, Wii multiplats with PS2, PSP, and/or DS, and 360/PS3 or 360/PS3/PC multiplats. Not too many new PS3 3rd-party (not Sony published) exclusives announced these days. But they'll still get plenty of games, especially with Sony's first-party and published library stacking up. It's not like the N64 or GC or Xbox didn't have a lot of good games to play despite a crappy userbase.



to be honest, if I bought a PSP, I'd immediately mod it and never buy any games simply because it is much slower to play off the umd than the mem stick. with the DS, I'd use the mod to sample games before buying them for niece and nephews and keep them legit. I'd still buy games for myself if I really enjoy it because there is no disadvantage to playing with the official cartridge



Smaller userbase is valid but lacking. On a larger userbase, there are a lot more games. Also, Nintendo themselves had no problem creating million sellers on smaller userbases, The Namco article is interesting, as people have applied the statement about RR7 to every single game anyone ever makes. I find it hard to believe early adopters would not know who makes Wii Sports (and by extension Wii Play), though I could see the people buying games for them (at their request) not knowing. Nintendo's monopoly in the portable space has allowed that to be useful, but that doesn't help its consoles any. What I'm waiting for is a Wii exclusive that's actually worth announcing.



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Shane said:
Smaller userbase is valid but lacking. On a larger userbase, there are a lot more games. Also, Nintendo themselves had no problem creating million sellers on smaller userbases,


 Wouldn't this mean that Nintendo would have gotten more support than they got last gen? PS3:s lack of userbase compared to Wii will lead to more games for Wii aimed at the japanese market. What type of games that is I have no idea, but it will get more games.

Shane said:
The Namco article is interesting, as people have applied the statement about RR7 to every single game anyone ever makes.

I think that the most intressting thing is that they have stated that they are lowering the amount of game expected to be released for the PS3.

Shane said:
I find it hard to believe early adopters would not know who makes Wii Sports (and by extension Wii Play), though I could see the people buying games for them (at their request) not knowing.

I can see a lot of people just buying games that it stands Wii on, but thats me.

Shane said:
Nintendo's monopoly in the portable space has allowed that to be useful, but that doesn't help its consoles any.

If you belive that the succes of the DS is because of the GBA explain the increase of software sales in Japan last year (around 30 million more games were sold 2006 (around 68 million) than 2005, 2004, 2003 (all aroun 37 millions)). The DS shows that if Nintendo gets succesfull 3rd party can sell well. (if the Wii gets the same level of succes that is still question, but in Japan it seems to be a succes).

Shane said:
What I'm waiting for is a Wii exclusive that's actually worth announcing.

Agree and disagree, mostly because I for the moment have more 3rd party games that I want than Nintendo games. Some more well made game would be very nice, but I wont buy a Wii before Treasure Island (which have some other strange name), Spacestation Tycoon and RE:UC is out. I think Wii wont start to get better names before early 2008, by the simple fact that I belive that the most of the games will start getting developed now.



 

 

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