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AsGryffynn on 22 December 2015
Faelco said:
AsGryffynn said:

PC to XONE streaming and, perhaps, XONE-Windows 10 cross compatibility...

 

I don't think the XOne-W10 cross compatibility is possible, we already know developers can struggle to port their games from PC to Xbox One, I don't know how they could do that.... (the bottleneck is the GPU? Not sure, I don't remember) The most they can do is to make the ports easier.

Isn't the PC/XOne streaming possible already ? I thought so...

I don't think they're moving away from the Xbox brand. I think they are moving the Xbox brand itself, and the fact that newly announced games like Halo Wars 2 are announced from the start as XOne/PC shows IMO that they could slowly give up the hardware part and focus on a gaming service for W10.

 

They lost the console war anyway, their marketshare and software sales are not that good (and I'm being polite), and they can more easily make money on PC gaming by publishing their games on Windows 10...

Programming. GPU can handle things decently, since it's not a weak GPU, just a weak processor. It is no longer the same...

And no. It can stream Xbox One games to PC, but not the other way around. They polled that feature recently...

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/developers-can-port-games-between-windows-10-devices-with-just-a-few-lines-of-code/

And they are doing better than they were before, so why not do both? They are not selling the XONE at a loss, unlike the Xbox. Also, Phil confirmed that another Xbox console will happen.





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Puppyroach on 22 December 2015
Faelco said:

If MS games are Xbox One and PC, then it also makes the Xbox One irrelevant. And it also matches with the "Let the Xbox die and come back to PC" usual strategy ideas, which is not really possible or relevant for Sony. I still think personally that they will make a big Xbox app and port their games on it to push W10 gaming and focus more and more on that (give us AoE 4, MS!) . 

No, this is completely wrong. Some people prefer console, some prefer PC. Just because a game appears on PC aswell doesn´t mean console gamers jump ship. MS understands thism which is why they´re catering to gamers through console, PC, tablets and smartphones.

I do agree with your second part, they are already starting real push the XBox app, and I hope they will release all coming games on both platforms and allow cross-play.



AsGryffynn on 22 December 2015
Puppyroach said:
Faelco said:

If MS games are Xbox One and PC, then it also makes the Xbox One irrelevant. And it also matches with the "Let the Xbox die and come back to PC" usual strategy ideas, which is not really possible or relevant for Sony. I still think personally that they will make a big Xbox app and port their games on it to push W10 gaming and focus more and more on that (give us AoE 4, MS!) . 

No, this is completely wrong. Some people prefer console, some prefer PC. Just because a game appears on PC aswell doesn´t mean console gamers jump ship. MS understands thism which is why they´re catering to gamers through console, PC, tablets and smartphones.

I do agree with your second part, they are already starting real push the XBox app, and I hope they will release all coming games on both platforms and allow cross-play.

 

That's the idea. They won't drop the Xbox console, but the Xbox might eventually just compete with Apple rather than Sony, since odds are they will sell the Xbox as a branded PC...



jason1637 on 22 December 2015
think-man said:
Ms is slowly moving away from the xbox brand

They did this type of thing last gen, and gears 1 is already on pc so theres no reason to keep it on console.

Chazore said:
think-man said:
Ms is slowly moving away from the xbox brand

While also moving the Xbox brand onto other platforms:

 

 

The app only works for xbox users. Its not like someone can get these games without an xbox one. Really stupid app tbh.





hiccupthehuman on 23 December 2015
Faelco said:
hiccupthehuman said:
Faelco said:

 

You answer to your "consistency" comment yourself ^^. 

 

If third party games are PS4/PC and Sony games are PS4, then it makes the Xbox one irrelevant and help the PS4.

 

If MS games are Xbox One and PC, then it also makes the Xbox One irrelevant. And it also matches with the "Let the Xbox die and come back to PC" usual strategy ideas, which is not really possible or relevant for Sony. I still think personally that they will make a big Xbox app and port their games on it to push W10 gaming and focus more and more on that (give us AoE 4, MS!) . 

 

MS chooses to not favor the Xbox One, when Sony and the third party publishers choose to deprive the Xbox One of some games. It's all good for PC gamers, pretty good for PS4 gamers (more and more games are inclined to take the PS4/PC way instead of just PC), but nothing good for Xbox One gamers seems to come out of these deals. 

 

There is consistency here, but the issues and strategies of each company are different. 

That is not consistent. Including strategies from the companies sounds like twisting and turning, and overcomplicating things trying to find a way to justify PS4 ''losing'' exclusives as a good thing for PS4. At the end of the day, it's not a full exclusive to PS4/Xbox/Wii U if it is on PC, its only a console exclusive, period.  To most with a good PC, whether the game is from a third party or first-party, it doesnt matter.

When I was deciding which console to buy, the fact that some of the PS4 games I wanted to play were also on PC (SOMA, Firewatch) were points against the PS4, not for it. I prefer playing on console, but if the games do not come to Xbox, at the very least Ill play them on my PC.

 

Thinking about strategies from the companies sounds like twisting and turning ? Really ? It's just obvious to put things in perspectives and to think "Why did they do that? What is their objective?". In one case, it's "They convinced a third party publisher to keep his game away from the direct competition, while keeping their own exclusives", in the other case it's "They put their own exclusives to another platform". Not the same thing here, but yeah, it's only if you're interested in what will happen in the future .

 

The fact that most Vita exclusive games are coming to PS4 is a great sign of the awesome ambitions Sony has for the Vita 2...

Yes it is. First of all, your answer was to BMaker11 as to why PC/PS4 games are called ''console exclusives'' and that XBO/PC are often not considered by many as console exclusives was not relevant. No one was talking about whether a game was first or third-party. 

Second, sound logic would entail that if a game is XBO+PC=XBO irrelevant, then a game that is PS4+PC=PS4 irrelevant. Period. When people choose which console to buy, they consider ''exclusives'', and whether an exclusive is first-party or third-party is pedantics. An argument could be made that PS4 will end up with more console exclusives, but that was not the argument at hand, the argument was what ''consistensy'' is, and it is that if XBO+PC=XBO irrelevant, then PS4+PC=PS4 irrelevant.

Finally, if we are to include strategies, MS's strategy is to focus on first-party.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/08/03/less-third-party-deals-and-more-first-party-exclusives-in-the-future-for-xbox-says-spencer/

while Sony

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/64145/20151105/sony-promises-more-third-party-deals-in-2016-important-to-us.htm

Does that really mean a better or worse future for one or the other? MS is fully concentrated on publishing its own games, and Sony is actively working on getting some third-party games along normal first-party output too. Both Sony and MS are going according to their plan, nothing wrong with that.



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Mr Puggsly on 24 December 2015
think-man said:
Ms is slowly moving away from the xbox brand

Probably, I think MS is taking into consideration that dedicated gaming machines is a declining market. Even if X1 manages to sell at par with the 360 they have other things they should focus on as well. For example, they also own another popular gaming platform called Windows which brings in a lot of money for them.

Sony on the otherhand is pushing Playstation more than anything, its arguably the best thing going for them right now.

Hence, it could seem MS is moving away from Xbox simply because they have a lot going on unlike their competitors. I feel like gaming is something MS does to appeal to certain markets, its not a primary concern. While Playstation is a very signficiant part of Sony.



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UltimateGamer1982 on 24 December 2015

Awesome. Here's hoping halo 5 makes the transition to PC soon too. Imagine the possibilities.

Getting erect just thinking about it.



Faelco on 24 December 2015
hiccupthehuman said:

Yes it is. First of all, your answer was to BMaker11 as to why PC/PS4 games are called ''console exclusives'' and that XBO/PC are often not considered by many as console exclusives was not relevant. No one was talking about whether a game was first or third-party. 

Second, sound logic would entail that if a game is XBO+PC=XBO irrelevant, then a game that is PS4+PC=PS4 irrelevant. Period. When people choose which console to buy, they consider ''exclusives'', and whether an exclusive is first-party or third-party is pedantics. An argument could be made that PS4 will end up with more console exclusives, but that was not the argument at hand, the argument was what ''consistensy'' is, and it is that if XBO+PC=XBO irrelevant, then PS4+PC=PS4 irrelevant.

Finally, if we are to include strategies, MS's strategy is to focus on first-party.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/08/03/less-third-party-deals-and-more-first-party-exclusives-in-the-future-for-xbox-says-spencer/

while Sony

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/64145/20151105/sony-promises-more-third-party-deals-in-2016-important-to-us.htm

Does that really mean a better or worse future for one or the other? MS is fully concentrated on publishing its own games, and Sony is actively working on getting some third-party games along normal first-party output too. Both Sony and MS are going according to their plan, nothing wrong with that.

 

LOL. "No one was talking about whether a game was first or third-party.".

Right.

Let me quote again the said BMaker11's post I was answering to...

BMaker11 said:

Let's be consistent from now on. When PS4 gets a bunch of titles that are PS4/PC, we happily say "console exclusive" and that since it's not on XBOne, it doesn't mean anything that the games are on PC.

So, when XBOne games go PC, but not PS4, it's not "losing exclusives". Not on PS4, so it doesn't matter that they're on PC. 

With that said, the fact that it's first party games is interesting. The point of first party games is that they're only on your console. You'll never see Mario or Uncharted on PC. Granted, it's Microsoft, and games like Halo have been on PC so it's not unprecedented. But also, on the onset of this gen, they were pretty stern about 1st party games not coming to PC and it's happening anyway

Nuff' said.

 

Not going to change my mind about what I think Sony's and MS's strategies are. I don't expect any Xbox fan to agree with me (exactly like when we fought for a long time about the importance of 1st party games for the Holliday sales). It's prospective thinking, we can't prove each other wrong (except for when you can't read a post like above), we'll see in a few months/years.



AsGryffynn on 24 December 2015

In their defense, they were using Mattrick's plans back then...



hiccupthehuman on 24 December 2015
Faelco said:
hiccupthehuman said:

Yes it is. First of all, your answer was to BMaker11 as to why PC/PS4 games are called ''console exclusives'' and that XBO/PC are often not considered by many as console exclusives was not relevant. No one was talking about whether a game was first or third-party. 

Second, sound logic would entail that if a game is XBO+PC=XBO irrelevant, then a game that is PS4+PC=PS4 irrelevant. Period. When people choose which console to buy, they consider ''exclusives'', and whether an exclusive is first-party or third-party is pedantics. An argument could be made that PS4 will end up with more console exclusives, but that was not the argument at hand, the argument was what ''consistensy'' is, and it is that if XBO+PC=XBO irrelevant, then PS4+PC=PS4 irrelevant.

Finally, if we are to include strategies, MS's strategy is to focus on first-party.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/08/03/less-third-party-deals-and-more-first-party-exclusives-in-the-future-for-xbox-says-spencer/

while Sony

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/64145/20151105/sony-promises-more-third-party-deals-in-2016-important-to-us.htm

Does that really mean a better or worse future for one or the other? MS is fully concentrated on publishing its own games, and Sony is actively working on getting some third-party games along normal first-party output too. Both Sony and MS are going according to their plan, nothing wrong with that.

 

LOL. "No one was talking about whether a game was first or third-party.".

Right.

Let me quote again the said BMaker11's post I was answering to...

BMaker11 said:

Let's be consistent from now on. When PS4 gets a bunch of titles that are PS4/PC, we happily say "console exclusive" and that since it's not on XBOne, it doesn't mean anything that the games are on PC.

So, when XBOne games go PC, but not PS4, it's not "losing exclusives". Not on PS4, so it doesn't matter that they're on PC. 

With that said, the fact that it's first party games is interesting. The point of first party games is that they're only on your console. You'll never see Mario or Uncharted on PC. Granted, it's Microsoft, and games like Halo have been on PC so it's not unprecedented. But also, on the onset of this gen, they were pretty stern about 1st party games not coming to PC and it's happening anyway

Nuff' said.

 

Not going to change my mind about what I think Sony's and MS's strategies are. I don't expect any Xbox fan to agree with me (exactly like when we fought for a long time about the importance of 1st party games for the Holliday sales). It's prospective thinking, we can't prove each other wrong (except for when you can't read a post like above), we'll see in a few months/years.

Ok about the Bmaker11 part.

But the gist of what I am saying refers to this:

''If third party games are PS4/PC and Sony games are PS4, then it makes the Xbox one irrelevant and help the PS4.

If MS games are Xbox One and PC, then it also makes the Xbox One irrelevant.''

I am pointing out that if we were to follow your logic, the PS4 should only benefit from a third-party game if it is fully exclusive. But if the third-party makes it PS4/PC, then the fact that a PC version exists makes the PS4 version irrelevant, as PC is the determining factor in the XBO+PC part. Hypothetically, if the XBO is irrelevant because a lot of its selling points (exclusives) are actually just console exclusives, then if a lot of the PS4 selling points are also just console exclusives, then that questions the relevancy of having a PS4 also. Whether those console exclusive games are from the first-party itself (MS) or a third-party in PS4's case doesn't really matter.

If you mean that PS4 in general would be more preferable to various tastes because it has more console exclusives, then I agree. But .I disagree with the logic of discarding the importance of the Xbox One's console exclusives and not doing the same for PS4 console exclusives.