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DakonBlackblade said:
Darc Requiem said:

In Episode 3, when  Palpatine tells Anakin the "Tale of Darth Plagueis the wise" in the opera they play a unique theme. The theme of Darth Plagueis. The play that same theme when Snoke shows up at Episode VII. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgirxblkje8

Wow that cant just be a coincidence. My problem with Plagueis being Snoke is that it seriously weakens Sidius, he was just another pawn in the scheme, Plagueis managed to orchestrate everything from the shadows and Sidius never noticed.

It doesn't weaken him, because Plagueis was hiding in the Outer Rim. SIdious was investigating a dark power he felt in the Outer Rim. He didn't know it was his old master. He sent forces to investigate it. When Vader killed him Sidious, Snoke/Plagueis took the opportunity to fill the power vacuum left by his demise. The First Order is made up of the Imperial forces that Sidious sent to the Outer Rim.

My only real issue with The Force Awakens is that it does a poor job of explaining the dynamics of between the Republic/Rebellion and the Empire/First Order. I basically figured it out, but a lot of people didn't. I can see why. There have been novels and comics that do explain it in detail, but you shouldn't have to read outside materials. I think they were worried about having too much exposition after the prequels and dropped the ball in this regard. The movie was still good but they could added a paragraph to the crawl that would have taken 5 to 10 seconds to read to set the stage for the universe.





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Darc Requiem said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Wow that cant just be a coincidence. My problem with Plagueis being Snoke is that it seriously weakens Sidius, he was just another pawn in the scheme, Plagueis managed to orchestrate everything from the shadows and Sidius never noticed.

It doesn't weaken him, because Plagueis was hiding in the Outer Rim. SIdious was investigating a dark power he felt in the Outer Rim. He didn't know it was his old master. He sent forces to investigate it. When Vader killed him Sidious, Snoke/Plagueis took the opportunity to fill the power vacuum left by his demise. The First Order is made up of the Imperial forces that Sidious sent to the Outer Rim.

My only real issue with The Force Awakens is that it does a poor job of explaining the dynamics of between the Republic/Rebellion and the Empire/First Order. I basically figured it out, but a lot of people didn't. I can see why. There have been novels and comics that do explain it in detail, but you shouldn't have to read outside materials. I think they were worried about having too much exposition after the prequels and dropped the ball in this regard. The movie was still good but they could added a paragraph to the crawl that would have taken 5 to 10 seconds to read to set the stage for the universe.



Ye almost nothing is said about how the transition from the Empire to the First Order went, but to be fair not much is said about the state of the galaxy on Ep IV either, we get books and animated series dealling with the rise of the Rebelion and the structuring of the Empire till this day.





padib said:
vkaraujo said:
To be honest, there were at least 3 or 4 scenes about how powerful Chewie's bow caster is. Han Solo kills like 5 guys with 1 shot in one scene.

For Ren to not pop like a balloon when hit, means that his armor is very strong or he managed to lower the impact with the force. Either way, to be able to fight after being hit is incredible.

When you have so many cases of "It was the force that allowed this unexplainable thing to happen", the movie becomes unbearable.

Then it was the armor.

My point is, Ren was not 100% when he fought Rey/Finn. It is not unusual for him to lose that fight after being hit by the unholy son of a crossbow and a blaster. In fact is miracle that he could stand at all. 





Whether you love or hate Episode VII, you have to admit that this is the most in-depth Star Wars conversation thread on the site!

Somebody should make an official no holds barred Star Wars discussion thread.



Angelus said:
Lawlight said:

I am sorry if I want a good, coherent story in the movies I watch.



 

Nothing wrong with that at all. However, if you're gonna be a stiffler for detail then I hereby submit that you should have never even given this movie a chance because not a single one of the Star Wars movies has a "good, coherent story" to the point were I can't disect every single one of them to the point of ridiculousness if I were so inclined. 

They're just grand soap operas, dressed in sci-fi spectacle. They're meant to offer a very simple type of entertainment. The story is of second tier importance here. The writer's top priority in a flic like this is creating likeable characters, that the audience will root for, and putting them in situations they can shine in.

If you feel they failed in that, fair enough, but don't tell me you were going into Star Wars looking for a story that doesn't resemble Swiss cheese if you look past the surface.

 

But how can you not watch a movie and have all the things wrong just pop out at you. It's true that it makes movies less enjoyable but that's just how it is. The only time that plot issues don't pop out for me is when the movie is emotionally effective in some form.



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Finally got around to seeing it today.

It had some problems...but I enjoyed it for the most part. It felt a lot more like the original trilogy, which appealed to me more, as the prequels felt pretty generic to me. The less CGI the better.

I liked most of the new characters, particularly Finn and Poe. I realized pretty early that Rey was going to be a complete Mary Sue...which kinda makes me worried for the next two movies. I really don't care for perfect characters who never screw up and get power-ups for no reason...so I really hope there is more to her character than what we've seen so far.

I suppose her character is my only big gripe, which isn't big enough to keep me from watching the next movie, and probably not enough to make me post about it anywhere other than this one post on a gaming forum.



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I think there are more positives than negatives with the movie and Disney played it safe by making it A New Hope 2.0. Really my biggest complaint is that I wanted more Poe Dameron because Oscar Isaac is a brilliant character. They were trying hard to push that Rey/Finn chemistry and it wasn't bad, but I feel like he had better chemistry with Han and Poe, but I did think Daisy Ridley was good. Harrison Ford played my two heroes growing up so it was awesome getting to see him shine again and you could tell Abrams is a big Han Solo can too. I'm hoping that they take more risk with Episode 8 and it's something completely different, but I'm glad to have decent Star Wars movies again. I'm a Star Wars nerd and its awesome to see excitement for the movies again. It reminds me of when the originals were re-released in 1997 and Phantom Menace in 1999.

My Personal Movie Rankings(The Original Trilogy Listed is Pre-Special Edition because Jedi and A New Hope suffer from the edits)

1) V 2) IV 3) VI 4) VII 5) III 6) I 7) II



DevilRising said:
I wouldn't say it "sucks". But it did come off exactly as I feared it would the moment I heard that they threw Lucas' ACTUAL Episode VII story treatment out the window: as bad fan-fiction. And you can thank Mr. Abrams for that, as he helped re-write the script.

I honestly enjoyed the prequels, and for their many flaws, things they NEVER did that this new film does, include NOT having any just outright blatantly stupid/ridiculous plot elements. Certain things certain whiny fanboys didn't care for? Sure, aplenty. But nothing that just smacks you in the face with "REALLY?" Such as a *SPOILERS* sun-sucking planet-turned-deathstar, that can shoot megabeams ACROSS ENTIRE MULTIPLE SYSTEMS, and then split in five just because and blow several planets up at once. Just because. That literally comes off as something a five year old would write: "Well THIS time, we're going to have an even BIGGER Death Star, and THIS time, it's gonna suck in entire SUNS, even though it's a LIVING PLANET with snow and trees, because that TOTALLY is feasible, and then it's going to shoot lasers across space SO BIG that you'll be able to see the beam in the sky from another planet FAR AWAY, and then the beam is gonna split in FIVE because it's THAT ADVANCED, and blow everything up without so much as a moment of ceremony.....because.....well because."

Or perhaps Finn, the guy who was kidnapped as a kid and raised/conditioned his ENTIRE LIFE to be a Storm Trooper, yet once he breaks away, he displays NO actual symtoms or struggles with said conditioning, which would have made for an ACTUALLY compelling character. Instead, he just acted scared, cracked out of place jokes, and made sure to fit in a couple of "token black guy" moments, like going all Will Smith in the absolutely-no-reason-to-actually-exist Captain Phasma's face. Which, by the way, was also totally out of place.

The movie came off like an episode of a Joss Whedon show, with SO much humor, much of it forced, and SO many constant wink/nod/nudges to remind you that "HEY, this is just like the OLD Star Wars, RIGHT?", that it got old really fast.


There were GOOD things about the movie....but to me, the BAD things about it really drown them out. It was not well written, most of the new characters outside of Rey were pointless, and the movie was just one vague allusion after another, plotwise, while at the same time being a carbon copy of Episode IV.

Say what you will about the prequels. I myself agree they used TOO much CGI, and that the romantic acting moments seemed stiff/forced, as if they didn't get enough takes or something. And there WERE a couple of "HUH?" moments, like never seeing the Jedi even question Anakin about what happened with his mother and the Sand People, and what he did to them. But the one thing you CAN say about the prequels, is that they told original stories, they WERE actually trying to tell their own story, and were not just pandering to fans of the original trilogy, they weren't just stuffed with fan-service to make people cheer.

And honestly, I think that once people take the "Star Wars glasses" off, and look at this film with a sober mindset, most of them will realize that they don't think it's so "GREAT" after all, but rather, they were blinded by the constant fan-service. That is not what a new Star Wars film should be. If they were GOING to bother making a new trilogy, they should have kept Lucas on-board as a consultant, as originally planned, and actually STUCK to his original stories for them, as originally planned.

I will always wonder what he actually intended to happen, instead of whatever fanboy bullshit that Abrams and Co. managed to concoct. And to think Disney tries to tell us that all of the EU shit is no longer "canon", even though Lucas once said at least some of it was, and yet we're expected to buy that THIS is canon, and is somehow "better" (When it clearly isn't). I didn't like the Thrawn Trilogy concept, unlike so many fans, but I would rather have had THAT been adapted, than what they've come up with so far.

I'm just glad Abrams won't be writing/directing the next two.....so hopefully they might drop the fan-service shit, an some of the ridiculous five year old style ideas, and possibly get a bit better. But I honestly have very little enthusiasm for them after seeing this, which is too bad. I had a very bad feeling after Lucas sold to Disney, that the franchise was just going to be whored out and watered down, and so far, sadly, that seems to be playing out.


Best post in this whole thread.





Lol @ all the people who believe TFA is worse than the prequels.
Time has made you blind. The irony is that most of you ,if not all, will still go to see the next SW movie, because of all those reasons you don't want to admit. Because, in 10 years time, when you're having a boring Sunday afternoon and you feel like watching some good Star Wars entertainment, chances are you will pop that TFA blu-ray instead of any of the prequels.
Then you will say to yourselves 'Damn, If only Mordred11 was here to cosplay as bikini slave Leia, my Sunday would be complete.'



SnakeDrake said:
7/10 it doesn't suck but its not the 93% rotten tomato for me.

I really thought I was alone on this, but yeah, that's me as well... it wasn't huge, but not the bomb I expected...