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Darc Requiem said:

 

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Darc Requiem said:


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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Rhonda might by an olympic level Judo athlete but she went tow to tow with a champion level boxer.

Eh... there wasn't much of a fight though. She tried to box a hands down better striker and was dominated. Ronda wanted to take it to the ground but she couldn't even do that.

I don't think Ronda underestimated, Holm was just fucking amazing that night and frankly just might be better than Ronda.


How many takedowns did you see Rhonda go for? How many clinches? How many judo trips? Rhonda was in over her head. Next time she'll fight without being so pig headed and underestimating her division. She will look back at the tapes and fix what needs to be fixed. Shes definitely a better boxer than Rhonda and that will not change anytime soon. Perhaps Rhonda needs to go back to the drawing board and be herself which is a mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu.


How do u score takedowns/trips/throws when ur opponent has superior footwork that doesn't allow u to close the distance?



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Rhonda might by an olympic level Judo athlete but she went tow to tow with a champion level boxer.

Eh... there wasn't much of a fight though. She tried to box a hands down better striker and was dominated. Ronda wanted to take it to the ground but she couldn't even do that.

I don't think Ronda underestimated, Holm was just fucking amazing that night and frankly just might be better than Ronda.


How many takedowns did you see Rhonda go for? How many clinches? How many judo trips? Rhonda was in over her head. Next time she'll fight without being so pig headed and underestimating her division. She will look back at the tapes and fix what needs to be fixed. Shes definitely a better boxer than Rhonda and that will not change anytime soon. Perhaps Rhonda needs to go back to the drawing board and be herself which is a mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu.

If you look at the fight you'd see Rousey was trying to close distance, she had a clinch against the cage but lost it, and was even attempting an arm bar when they were on the ground. Holm was able to power out everytime and kept distance.

She couldn't do her judo and jiu jitsu because she couldn't close the distance and she was exhausted from taking a world class ass beating in the first round.

For the rematch, Ronda either needs to become a better striker or find a way to close the distance. Because I'm pretty sure Holm is gonna stick with a similar strategy.



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zorg1000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


How many takedowns did you see Rhonda go for? How many clinches? How many judo trips? Rhonda was in over her head. Next time she'll fight without being so pig headed and underestimating her division. She will look back at the tapes and fix what needs to be fixed. Shes definitely a better boxer than Rhonda and that will not change anytime soon. Perhaps Rhonda needs to go back to the drawing board and be herself which is a mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu.


How do u score takedowns/trips/throws when ur opponent has superior footwork that doesn't allow u to close the distance?


Technically she beat Rhonda at that game since she got the only takedown of the match. Rhonda barely got her in a clinch since she was so focused on trying to outbox her (which was stupid). Her own camp told her after round one that Holm was setting her up for left jabs. Rhonda was throwing haymakers and Holm was picking her apart. Very critical boxing much like Jon Jones whom I believe she trains sometimes with.

Jiu Jitsu fighters and wrestlers tend to do most of their punching and advancing on the ground. This should be everyones clue where Rhonda went wrong once she met a potent opponent.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Rhonda might by an olympic level Judo athlete but she went tow to tow with a champion level boxer.

Eh... there wasn't much of a fight though. She tried to box a hands down better striker and was dominated. Ronda wanted to take it to the ground but she couldn't even do that.

I don't think Ronda underestimated, Holm was just fucking amazing that night and frankly just might be better than Ronda.


How many takedowns did you see Rhonda go for? How many clinches? How many judo trips? Rhonda was in over her head. Next time she'll fight without being so pig headed and underestimating her division. She will look back at the tapes and fix what needs to be fixed. Shes definitely a better boxer than Rhonda and that will not change anytime soon. Perhaps Rhonda needs to go back to the drawing board and be herself which is a mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu.

You don't seem to be taking in what happened in the fight. Ronda is a pressure fighter. She fights well at close range. Holly never let her close the distance. She's a poor striker at long range. Because Holly was on her bicycle, Ronda couldn't use her Judo. Judo works best when your opponent advances towards you and you can use their momentum against them. Holly is a champion boxer and kickboxer. She's excellent at keeping her opponents at a distance. Styles make fights. Ronda's style was a poor match for Holly's. This is the first time she fought an elite striker. It's also the first time she fought woman that's as big/bigger than she is. Ronda, for the first time of MMA career, couldn't dictate where the fight took place. Even when she got the clinch, Holly was able to use her kickboxing experience to get the fight back at her preferred range. She was also unable to secure a submission the one time she was able to take Holly down.

Frankly Ronda needs to get in a real fight camp. Her coach is terrible. None of the fighters in her camp have had success. Shayna Bazler has been cut. Jessamyn Duke actually has talent but the Glendale Fight Club hasn't been able to maximize it. She's a tall fighter that should be fighting at range. She use the same "phone booth" close range game as Ronda and she isn't Ronda. Marina Shafir has been getting KO'd. None of them have good boxing nor do they display any sort of head movement. That's an indictment on their coach, Edmond. Ronda was getting by on her superior athleticism. Her mother was right about her coach. Hopefully Ronda goes to AKA, Tri-Star, Team Alpha Male, or some other quality fight camp.

Holly is also a great athlete and she is in a great gym. She's been training with Mike Winklejohn since she was a teenager. She fights out of Jackson/Winklejohn. She gets to train with a high caliber coaching staff that has produced three champions. She gets to work on her takedown defense and wrestling with the likes of Jon Jones. Her coach has a history of putting together great gameplans that maximizes his fighters strengths and expose their opponents weaknesses. Ronda has none of that. Honestly it's a testament to her athleticism that she's done so well.



Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Rhonda might by an olympic level Judo athlete but she went tow to tow with a champion level boxer.

Eh... there wasn't much of a fight though. She tried to box a hands down better striker and was dominated. Ronda wanted to take it to the ground but she couldn't even do that.

I don't think Ronda underestimated, Holm was just fucking amazing that night and frankly just might be better than Ronda.


How many takedowns did you see Rhonda go for? How many clinches? How many judo trips? Rhonda was in over her head. Next time she'll fight without being so pig headed and underestimating her division. She will look back at the tapes and fix what needs to be fixed. Shes definitely a better boxer than Rhonda and that will not change anytime soon. Perhaps Rhonda needs to go back to the drawing board and be herself which is a mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu.

If you look at the fight you'd see Rousey was trying to close distance, she had a clinch against the cage but lost it, and was even attempting an arm bar when they were on the ground. Holm was able to power out everytime and kept distance.

She couldn't do her judo and jiu jitsu because she couldn't close the distance and she was exhausted from taking a world class ass beating in the first round.

For the rematch, Ronda either needs to become a better striker or find a way to close the distance. Because I'm pretty sure Holm is gonna stick with a similar strategy.

Rousey tried to stand up with her, hence why she gave chase. She only got ahold of her once, seriously and holm took her down which was a waste of an effort. She cant outbox the girl so out judo and jiu jitsu her. Simple. Watch any analyst. They will tell you the same. I guarantee you the second match will be better. These are great fighters but Rousey played dumb and she was shown up. Its as simple at that.



Darc Requiem said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


How many takedowns did you see Rhonda go for? How many clinches? How many judo trips? Rhonda was in over her head. Next time she'll fight without being so pig headed and underestimating her division. She will look back at the tapes and fix what needs to be fixed. Shes definitely a better boxer than Rhonda and that will not change anytime soon. Perhaps Rhonda needs to go back to the drawing board and be herself which is a mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu.

You don't seem to be taking in what happened in the fight. Ronda is a pressure fighter. She fights well at close range. Holly never let her close the distance. She's a poor striker at long range. Because Holly was on her bicycle, Ronda couldn't use her Judo. Judo works best when your opponent advances towards you and you can use their momentum against them. Holly is a champion boxer and kickboxer. She's excellent at keeping her opponents at a distance. Styles make fights. Ronda's style was a poor match for Holly's. This is the first time she fought an elite striker. It's also the first time she fought woman that's as big/bigger than she is. Ronda, for the first time of MMA career, couldn't dictate where the fight took place. Even when she got the clinch, Holly was able to use her kickboxing experience to get the fight back at her preferred range. She was also unable to secure a submission the one time she was able to take Holly down.

Frankly Ronda needs to get in a real fight camp. Her coach is terrible. None of the fighters in her camp have had success. Shayna Bazler has been cut. Jessamyn Duke actually has talent but the Glendale Fight Club hasn't been able to maximize it. She's a tall fighter that should be fighting at range. She use the same "phone booth" close range game as Ronda and she isn't Ronda. Marina Shafir has been getting KO'd. None of them have good boxing nor do they display any sort of head movement. That's an indictment on their coach, Edmond. Ronda was getting by on her superior athleticism. Her mother was right about her coach. Hopefully Ronda goes to AKA, Tri-Star, Team Alpha Male, or some other quality fight camp.

Holly is also a great athlete and she is in a great gym. She's been training with Mike Winklejohn since she was a teenager. She fights out of Jackson/Winklejohn. She gets to train with a high caliber coaching staff that has produced three champions. She gets to work on her takedown defense and wrestling with the likes of Jon Jones. Her coach has a history of putting together great gameplans that maximizes his fighters strengths and expose their opponents weaknesses. Ronda has none of that. Honestly it's a testament to her athleticism that she's done so well.


I think I said earlier that she kept Rhonda at a distance because her tactic was counter punching. Holm studied Rhonda she knew to keep her at a distance. Given proper pressure and advancement tactics it would be a more interesting fight next time. Trust me...I watched the same fight as you, but everyone has different perspectives. Thats just a fact of being human among other human beings.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
zorg1000 said:


How do u score takedowns/trips/throws when ur opponent has superior footwork that doesn't allow u to close the distance?


Technically she beat Rhonda at that game since she got the only takedown of the match. Rhonda barely got her in a clinch since she was so focused on trying to outbox her (which was stupid). Her own camp told her after round one that Holm was setting her up for left jabs. Rhonda was throwing haymakers and Holm was picking her apart. Very critical boxing much like Jon Jones whom I believe she trains sometimes with.

Jiu Jitsu fighters and wrestlers tend to do most of their punching and advancing on the ground. This should be everyones clue where Rhonda went wrong once she met a potent opponent.

U don't seem to be understanding, Ronda has to close the distance in order to get into the clinch and initiate Judo trips/throws. She was not successful at all with coming forward and closing distance because Holm had better footwork/movement and better boxing at range. Ronda didn't score takedowns/trips/throws because Holm never allowed her to get into range to do those things.



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zorg1000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Technically she beat Rhonda at that game since she got the only takedown of the match. Rhonda barely got her in a clinch since she was so focused on trying to outbox her (which was stupid). Her own camp told her after round one that Holm was setting her up for left jabs. Rhonda was throwing haymakers and Holm was picking her apart. Very critical boxing much like Jon Jones whom I believe she trains sometimes with.

Jiu Jitsu fighters and wrestlers tend to do most of their punching and advancing on the ground. This should be everyones clue where Rhonda went wrong once she met a potent opponent.

U don't seem to be understanding, Ronda has to close the distance in order to get into the clinch and initiate Judo trips/throws. She was not successful at all with coming forward and closing distance because Holm had better footwork/movement and better boxing at range. Ronda didn't score takedowns/trips/throws because Holm never allowed her to get into range to do those things.

I understand that holm had her on the run quite well. I've watched enough lyoto machida matches in my system to know someone whose style is based off of forcing others to give chase. Eventually everyone learned his style and look where he is now. Once jones caught him he forced him into submission while standing. Its not about allowing someone in competition, its about making your move when you see your opponent make theirs. She could've closed the distance, but she wasted it on missed punches. As I said before to someone else, Rhondas teammate told rhonda at her break before the second round that holm was squaring her up for left jabs while keeping her in good spirits. Once she knew she was a target she should've known what to do. How she has plenty of time to go back to the drawing board. The part where you said that "Holm had better footwork/movement and better boxing at range" im in comlete agreement. But the majority of the match Rhonda was still boxing with her. I mean...am I wrong there?