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zorg1000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Technically she beat Rhonda at that game since she got the only takedown of the match. Rhonda barely got her in a clinch since she was so focused on trying to outbox her (which was stupid). Her own camp told her after round one that Holm was setting her up for left jabs. Rhonda was throwing haymakers and Holm was picking her apart. Very critical boxing much like Jon Jones whom I believe she trains sometimes with.

Jiu Jitsu fighters and wrestlers tend to do most of their punching and advancing on the ground. This should be everyones clue where Rhonda went wrong once she met a potent opponent.

U don't seem to be understanding, Ronda has to close the distance in order to get into the clinch and initiate Judo trips/throws. She was not successful at all with coming forward and closing distance because Holm had better footwork/movement and better boxing at range. Ronda didn't score takedowns/trips/throws because Holm never allowed her to get into range to do those things.




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Ronda has virtually no way of beating a fit former boxer, especially one who can kick well. Holly killed her in the punching exchange and just kept kicking and attacking whenever Ronda attempted to try and take her down

even when Rousey DID manage to get Holly down for a moment she lacked the strength to keep her there

this is an impossible fight for Rousey to win. I will add that Holly has a pretty big previous career in boxing, she was great, so it's not THAT big of a shock. 

I think there are plenty of contendors that would destroy Ronda in a fight if given the chance, it's just (obviously) that the UFC wanted to cash in on her hype and put up certain fighters (notice her opponents generally had limited experience, limited reach, not bulky, limited boxing experience, etc.)

 

congratz to Holly though, watching her interviews before and after she's such a gracious person



Mirson said:

She predicted her own defeat. Damn...


lmao! Wow she pretty much detailed it.

Also dat boob shot lol.



    

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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Rhonda might by an olympic level Judo athlete but she went tow to tow with a champion level boxer.

Eh... there wasn't much of a fight though. She tried to box a hands down better striker and was dominated. Ronda wanted to take it to the ground but she couldn't even do that.

I don't think Ronda underestimated, Holm was just fucking amazing that night and frankly just might be better than Ronda.


How many takedowns did you see Rhonda go for? How many clinches? How many judo trips? Rhonda was in over her head. Next time she'll fight without being so pig headed and underestimating her division. She will look back at the tapes and fix what needs to be fixed. Shes definitely a better boxer than Rhonda and that will not change anytime soon. Perhaps Rhonda needs to go back to the drawing board and be herself which is a mix of Judo and Jiu Jitsu.

If you look at the fight you'd see Rousey was trying to close distance, she had a clinch against the cage but lost it, and was even attempting an arm bar when they were on the ground. Holm was able to power out everytime and kept distance.

She couldn't do her judo and jiu jitsu because she couldn't close the distance and she was exhausted from taking a world class ass beating in the first round.

For the rematch, Ronda either needs to become a better striker or find a way to close the distance. Because I'm pretty sure Holm is gonna stick with a similar strategy.

Rousey tried to stand up with her, hence why she gave chase. She only got ahold of her once, seriously and holm took her down which was a waste of an effort. She cant outbox the girl so out judo and jiu jitsu her. Simple. Watch any analyst. They will tell you the same. I guarantee you the second match will be better. These are great fighters but Rousey played dumb and she was shown up. Its as simple at that.

She was to close the distance and that's why she cahsed. Frankly, Ronda's takedown ability seems to be dependent on people coming or during a clinch. Perhaps the needs to learn more ways to take fighters down. She should go train with some wrestlers I guess.

Looking at the fight again Rousey did attempt judo throw when Holm clinched, but Holm managed to slam Ronda down and got up.

Ronda didn't play dumb, she was dependent on her striking because grappling wasn't working out. She landed some good punches and was probably hoping for a knockout.



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ganoncrotch said:
OneKartVita said:

Oh come on.  It's their choice and MMA and boxing is a good way to get peoples anger and stress out in a good way.  

 

And these people live way better lives than those who drink ,  smoke and eat unhealthy food all the time 

[citation needed]


Personal experience.  I used to always get into fights when I was young until I started boxing.  It gets all the anger out in a safe and controlled way.  

 

Local boxing clubs in rough communities do wonders for the youth. That's a fact. 



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Every punch and every kick she sucked i smiled

She acts like a kid all the time, extremely arrogant, and showed extreme disrespect by her oponent , didnt touch gloves and at the end of the first round she pounched her way after the belt ring, i was like, wtf sp stupid...

She looked like a frustrated kid running around cause someone stole her popsicle until she eat a fucking kick right in the face and got knocked the fuck out.

Delicious tears from her fanboys lmao

Next is Jose Aldo if he does not be a bitch and run away from the fight again, chris weidman is another that is getting arrogant as fuck and needs to be knocked the fuck out by Luck rockold and for last i hope Jon Jones comes to the ufc again to get Daniel Boring Cormier out of the title.



 

OneKartVita said:
ganoncrotch said:

[citation needed]


Personal experience.  I used to always get into fights when I was young until I started boxing.  It gets all the anger out in a safe and controlled way.  

 

Local boxing clubs in rough communities do wonders for the youth. That's a fact. 

http://www.care2.com/causes/16-year-old-dies-after-sparring-boxing-safe-for-kids.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2031517/Children-avoid-boxing-Doctors-cite-rising-injury-rates-launch-fresh-attack-sport.html

Could be time to google "Binky facts and opinions" !

But yeah there is some benefits of Boxing clubs but there is also some massive negatives to them and when it comes to teenagers with anger issues should you really be teaching them that a way to get that out of their system is by smashing someones face in until they are ko'd? What happens when said Teen has a partner and kids meaning they don't have time to get out to spar in a club anymore? I'd personally say that if someone has issues of that nature that finding the root of them in counciling would be a far better and long term solution than giving them another person to punch until the issues have subsided.



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Skill beat Arrogance. She used basic technique to make Ronda look like an amateur. Ufc should cut the hype jobs next time. Its a disservice to the sport and tot he intelligent fanbase.

Holly skills is on a level of the top 10 strikers of all mma world wide.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
zorg1000 said:

U don't seem to be understanding, Ronda has to close the distance in order to get into the clinch and initiate Judo trips/throws. She was not successful at all with coming forward and closing distance because Holm had better footwork/movement and better boxing at range. Ronda didn't score takedowns/trips/throws because Holm never allowed her to get into range to do those things.

I understand that holm had her on the run quite well. I've watched enough lyoto machida matches in my system to know someone whose style is based off of forcing others to give chase. Eventually everyone learned his style and look where he is now. Once jones caught him he forced him into submission while standing. Its not about allowing someone in competition, its about making your move when you see your opponent make theirs. She could've closed the distance, but she wasted it on missed punches. As I said before to someone else, Rhondas teammate told rhonda at her break before the second round that holm was squaring her up for left jabs while keeping her in good spirits. Once she knew she was a target she should've known what to do. How she has plenty of time to go back to the drawing board. The part where you said that "Holm had better footwork/movement and better boxing at range" im in comlete agreement. But the majority of the match Rhonda was still boxing with her. I mean...am I wrong there?

The whole mystery behind Machida's style was always just a marketing gimmick to hype him up just like saying Ronda is a once in forever athlete. He didn't start losing because people suddenly figured out his style, he started losing more often because he now fights top 10 opponents each and every fight, he was never a dominate presence like the UFC hype train tried to make it seem back in 2009. He was an undefeated 8-0 prospect coming into the UFC and slowly worked his way up beating lower/mid level competition, around 2009 is when he started fighting elite level competition on a regular basis and his record from 2009-2015 is 9-7. He has had some dominant performances (Thiago, Rashad, Couture, Bader, Munoz, Dolloway) had some competitive wins (Rua 1, Henderson, Mousasi) some competitive losses (Rampage, Davis, Wiedman) and had some fights where he was convincingly finished (Rua 2, Jones, Rockhold, Romero). He hasn't won more than 2 back to back wins since 2009, he has never consistently beat top 10 opponents and was never to dominant fighter people seem to think he was.


No, she couldn't close the distance because she has rudimentary footwork, if she couldn't get close enough to hit Holm than she sure as hell couldn't get close enough to clinch, it's as simple as that, u can't clinch something that u can't get a hold of. It's not as simple as, "oh I'm getting hit, I better clinch!!!" because Holm never allowed her to close the gap and be close enough to clinch for any significant amount of time. Rousey's skillset was not where it needed to be in order to beat Holm, that however doesn't mean she is always destined to fail against Holm, there are some things she can do to improve.

Number 1 is better boxing fundamentals, Rousey is never going to be as good a boxer as Holm, just like Holm is never going to be as good of a Judoku as Rousey but having better boxing fundamentals will allow her to close the gap. She can't just come plodding straight forward throwing haymakers. She needs to use lateral movement to cut off the cage, use a solid jab and straight punches to establish range, use feints and level changes to keep Holm guessing. With these things she potentially trap Holm against the cage where she can utilize her Judo to score takedowns.

Number 2 is if and when the fight goes to the ground, don't rush for submissions that aren't there. Rousey has been used to being able to armbar pretty much anyone from any position. The one time she had Holm on the mat, she immediately went for an armbar that wasn't there and allowed Holm to get back standing. Again, it comes down to solid fundamentals, one of the first things u learn in grappling is position over submission, when Rousey has Holm down she needs to stay heavy and keep her down then soften her up with some ground striking to allow her to pass guard then set up her submissions from there.

Rousey can potentially win a rematch, it just comes down better fundamentals in all aspects of the game and not thinking she can KO/submit/throw anybody whenever she wants.



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