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d21lewis on 11 November 2015
John2290 said:
d21lewis said:


This one might be the one you're hoping for. There is risk in the platforming and some legit puzzles. Just turn off the beacon that tells you where to go when you click R3. You'll be right at home.

 

I liked TLR too. Don't know why but it was better to me than TR3 and Chronicles. But don't get me wrong. This game isn't nearly as tough. And I did wind up in some combat killing about ten guys after a few hours of play. Not sure if the game is going to have more exploration of more combat but starting off it has a very good balance.

The best TR game is by far Angel of Darkness which was it's least we'll received but it was the best the game got before moving to a more auto jump/grab ledge style.


*fainted*



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binary solo on 11 November 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
method114 said:
Chazore said:

Pretty much this, the same happens for PC/PS4/Wii U/Xbox players all the time. That and SE is likely to get more out of this deal in the end anyway.

I actually think SE is losing on this deal. I don't know how much they were paid by MS so I guess that's the main thing I would have to consider. Either way though I think they're hurting the overall franchise by doing this. They may have come out ahead with this game because of MS's money but what did they lose by doing this? MS wont be there for TR3 at least I wouldn't rely on them being there. So now by the time the game comes out will anyone still care? Sure I will but I'll be waiting until it drop to sub $20 on steam. Mainly because the first one started off great but got really boring towards the middle and I had to force my way through the rest of the game. I could be wrong I just don't really see how SE is winning here this game is getting less hype then it did when the first one came out.

You're making presumptions and we don't know the financial details. MS could have thrown a ridiculous amount of money SE for this, we don't know.

I think this game is going to sell a couple million on Xbox platforms and it will sell a couple million on Playstation consoles as well. The game will succeed because its awesome and will be on 5 platforms by next year.

Worst case scenario, it won't sell as well as Tomb Raider 2013 (8.5 million according to SE). But it will still do well.

5 Platforms? Has SE confirmed a PS3 release? Seems rather pointless putting a late port onto a dying console, which is going to be a pain to port to as people start to forget how to work with PS3. Better to port it to Vita.

MS would have been mad to throw more than one hat full of money at SE for timed exclusivity. But I guess anything can happen.



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Machiavellian on 11 November 2015
DakonBlackblade said:
Machiavellian said:

Here is the deal.  Tomb Raider was funded by MS so the developer had no risk in making the game.  If anything, MS would see more issue if people decided to gt the game on the PC/PS4.  There is still a good deal of people on the X1 so who knows how good the legs will be for this game.  If everyone is going to just get the game for the PC/PS4 the developer and publisher still comes out on top.  Yes the game will not be sold at 60 bucks but since MS already paid for it, the developer/ publisher still wins out.  If anything the one getting hurt will be MS if the game does not sell well on the X1.

Last but not least, Tomb Raider is not Fallout or Halo.  What I mean by that is that since its a different genra for the people like myself, it comes right on time.

From my understanding MS didnt fund anyhting, if they had TR would never be releasing for PS4 (Bloodborne was funded by Sony and will never release on any other plataform). MS simply payed a lot of money to buy the game for 1 year, now financialy it might be great for Square and CD because the game will eventualy release on PS4 so theyre not completly giving up on a chunk of the market, like Titanfall did, but I dont see it being good on the long run for the franchise cause the game got a lot of bad publicity due to the deal, is launching on a way too crowded period and theres 0 chances itll sell 1 year from now as well as it would sell on the PS4 if it were releasing simultaneously. So maybe SE and CD make some money, but the franchise might sufer a heavy blow on the long run and I might be wrong but if I were SE ID e more interested in keeping the franchise healthy than making some quick cash.

Paying a lot of money to get a exclusive for 1 year sounds like paying for development.  Not sure how else you look at that.  As for the bad pub, seems a lot of PS4/PC gamers got over it because from what I have been reading, people pretty just say they will wait to get the game on their platform of choice.  Gamers are a very fickle bunch or I should say the most vocal.  The little bit of bad blood never outweights a good game.  I highly doubt the franchise is going to suffer any blow as long as CD continue to make top quality games.  What has always killed franchises is poorly made games more than the platform war egos of fanboys.



jardesonbarbosa on 11 November 2015

I didn't even know the new Tomb Raider was already out. After the E3 they didn't talk much about that game. Well, as much as I love the 2013 Tomb Raider, I'll wait a year to get the PC version and maybe another year to get it 50% off. Every major gaming website is talking about Fallout now. I don't think Tomb Raider would sell well now even if it was a multiplat release.



ktay95 on 11 November 2015
AbbathTheGrim said:

Woah, slow down dude, some things are off-limits.

Can we at least have female Link??



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AbbathTheGrim on 11 November 2015
ktay95 said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

Woah, slow down dude, some things are off-limits.

Can we at least have female Link??

 

well, there's this:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7541784



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

AEGRO on 11 November 2015
ktay95 said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

Woah, slow down dude, some things are off-limits.

Can we at least have female Link??


What...the hell?

Is there a female version of Link? Or is that the most androginous japanese design ever?



Mr Puggsly on 11 November 2015
binary solo said:

5 Platforms? Has SE confirmed a PS3 release? Seems rather pointless putting a late port onto a dying console, which is going to be a pain to port to as people start to forget how to work with PS3. Better to port it to Vita.

MS would have been mad to throw more than one hat full of money at SE for timed exclusivity. But I guess anything can happen.

The thing is porting between 7th gen consoles is relatively easy given similar capabilities. Scaling this game back to work on Vita would be significantly more work.

Also, a year from now PS3 will still sell more software than Vita. PS3 still has million sellers.



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method114 on 11 November 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
method114 said:
Chazore said:

Pretty much this, the same happens for PC/PS4/Wii U/Xbox players all the time. That and SE is likely to get more out of this deal in the end anyway.

I actually think SE is losing on this deal. I don't know how much they were paid by MS so I guess that's the main thing I would have to consider. Either way though I think they're hurting the overall franchise by doing this. They may have come out ahead with this game because of MS's money but what did they lose by doing this? MS wont be there for TR3 at least I wouldn't rely on them being there. So now by the time the game comes out will anyone still care? Sure I will but I'll be waiting until it drop to sub $20 on steam. Mainly because the first one started off great but got really boring towards the middle and I had to force my way through the rest of the game. I could be wrong I just don't really see how SE is winning here this game is getting less hype then it did when the first one came out.

You're making presumptions and we don't know the financial details. MS could have thrown a ridiculous amount of money SE for this, we don't know.

I think this game is going to sell a couple million on Xbox platforms and it will sell a couple million on Playstation consoles as well. The game will succeed because its awesome and will be on 5 platforms by next year.

Worst case scenario, it won't sell as well as Tomb Raider 2013 (8.5 million according to SE). But it will still do well.


Of course I'm making presumptions I specfically said "I think" and that I don't know how much money MS threw at them which is key to all of this. Everyone talkiing about this is making presumptions cause we don't know all of the facts. It selling lower to me is not a good thing the franchise should be growing not dropping. SE from what I undesrtand was dissappointed in the sales of TR. So going lower isn't something I would think they want.



teigaga on 11 November 2015

Yes, the game will underperform significantly.

When its finally released on PS4 it will sell less then half of what it would have done otherwise, especially arriving after Uncharted 4.

Platform Exclusivity aside, I feel the timing is simply not right. I think a January release would have done them more good. Ideally September but I doubt the game would have been ready for that.