Quite different, I mean similar things could probably be said for the xbox>360 transition. All Microsoft done was make it less ugly, adjust the marketing, get some key support and secure a 1 year headstart. Even if sony didn't F up with a $600 system the Xbox brand would have still grown quite substantially. I think beyond sales though we also have to consider the experience of the console owners- By years end Wii U would have only of recieved 10-12 retail games in 2015. Thats atrocious and doesn't offer much choice. As much as its about selling better then the Wii U, its also about getting a platform with stronger support.

The physical PS4 console is actually an essential part of the systems marketing. It may not feature in every playstation branded tv advert, but on Print its there 95% of the time. Its pretty hard to miss, not to mention the numerous special editions where they marketed quite heavily.  I just saw one for Destiny infact. But I think the point is kind of mute because Playstations naming convention is based on numerical supremecy, something Wii U is not.

But as you said the real fault is that the Wii U is undesirable, even if its marketing was crystal, that wouldn't change. I don't think it deserves comparisons to the N64 which actually arrived 2 years after the competition and yet still managed to earn a strongly robust audience which extended beyond Nintendo's core audience.

Well, the 360 was successful in the first place. It's not quite the same as the WiiU situation.

He was god damn right!

But the original Xbox didn't sell drastically better then the Wii U. If Microsoft can go from 24m to 84, I think Nintendo has room to grow from the Wii U with the right timing, hardware and marketing. 1st and 3rd party support of course.

Well if Wii U just have better and not misunderstood marketing and different name, it would be much more appealing system.

So NX will be much more appealing system than Wii U was.

He is a prophet LOl, he should have been join VG chart and get a lot of hate from Nintendo fans on VGchart forum LOL

I completely disagree that sales of Wii would be Cube levels without casuals. At least if you mean "soccer moms and grandpas" by casuals. There were many core gamers like myself that had sworn off Nintendo when the purple toy came out, but when the slick new Wii came out we couldn't resist it. It was stylish. It haf a cool new way to play games (let's be honest, every core gamer was imagining swinging a lightsaber). It had the groundbreaking Virtual Console allowing us to play all of the old Nintendo games from our youth. And it had wicked new versions of Mario and Zelda.

If you pop into any independent game store you'll see Yoshi plushies, Mushroom t-shirts and numerous Nintendo themed crap. Core gamers love some retro Nintendo.  Wii offered a perfect storm of fresh gameplay and retro appeal wrapped up in a cutting edge Apple-like design. With pricey competition offering HD as it's main selling point but most gamers nit yet having HDTVs and with almost everyone avoiding GameCube and hungry for some Nintendo content, Wii was a can't miss product. 

Sure, the "non-gamers" and Wii Fit crowd probably boosted sales by about 30+ million, but the main success was offering something fun and innovative that the mainstream gamer could enjoy at a time they were ready to walse down Nintendo memory lane and they were pissed at Sony for price gouging. 

And there in lies the problem of Wii U. Not exciting.  Not innovative.  People had Wiis, so they aren't hungry for the retro Nintendo experience. They styling is cutting edge...for 2006. The games are derivative.  And the competition has strong, well-priced offerings.  Combined with a mainstream gamer who may have felt Wii was vastly inferior to the new PS360 they picked up a few years later and Nintendo needed another system that was shock and awe, not evolutionary.

Hopefully this is what noobie President means.

I always knew kowenicki was a Nintendo fanboy!

They can make it like the PS4. That will make it more appealing. By that I mean keep it simple with no gimmick and make plenty of varied first party games.