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Cerebralbore101 said:
CladInShadows said:

1. Incorrect. EGS does not have an always online DRM.  There's an offline mode, just like steam.  Any DRM is set by the publisher on a per game basis, just like steam.

2. Multiple launchers comes down to personal preference.  GOG 2.0 helps alleviate that.  I find it a small price to pay for the roughly 70 free games they've given me.

1. I got Subnautica for free on EGS. Couldn't play it in offline mode, after being disconnected from the internet for 24-48 hours. My roommate who had the game on Steam could play it in offline mode just fine, after being offline for 48 hours. If it's on a per game basis, then why could my roommate play it on Steam, after a 24-48 hour period of being disconnected, while I couldn't? The same thing goes for Borderlands 3 on consoles. Why isn't there always online DRM for Borderlands 3 on consoles, but you can't play the game in offline mode in the EGS? 

2. Most people prefer having their games on Steam, due to achievements, friends lists, etc. People should be free to buy the game from whatever store they want. If Epic owned their own studios and made first party content exclusively for their store that would be fine. But forcing people to use your store if they want to play a 3rd party multiplat on PC is just stupid. 

Edit: Anyway having multiple stores, and having to navigate DRM policies or EULAs hurts PC gaming overall. Things were much better when everything was on Steam and those other stores were purely optional.

If you played Subnautica around the time it was given to us, then offline mode wasn't available then.  Not until February.  If it was recently, then you'd have to ask their developer why they made it always online for Epic.  But the fact remains that EGS has an offline mode. I'm not making it up.

Borderlands 3 uses Denuvo DRM.  Nothing to do with Epic.  Again, ask the developer/publisher why they made that decision.  Though apparently people have been finding ways around the always online. And this is also not a fair comparison since you're comparing PC and console.

Anyways, we're not going to agree on the multiple launchers bit. Only that hardly any of the other launchers have been "optional". Steam has exclusives.  GOG has exclusives.  Origin has exclusives. And I'll be buying games where I can get the best deal.  If I have to click 30 pixels to the left in order to open a different launcher, then I'll do it, no matter how harrowing and stressful the experience is.



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CladInShadows said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

1. I got Subnautica for free on EGS. Couldn't play it in offline mode, after being disconnected from the internet for 24-48 hours. My roommate who had the game on Steam could play it in offline mode just fine, after being offline for 48 hours. If it's on a per game basis, then why could my roommate play it on Steam, after a 24-48 hour period of being disconnected, while I couldn't? The same thing goes for Borderlands 3 on consoles. Why isn't there always online DRM for Borderlands 3 on consoles, but you can't play the game in offline mode in the EGS? 

2. Most people prefer having their games on Steam, due to achievements, friends lists, etc. People should be free to buy the game from whatever store they want. If Epic owned their own studios and made first party content exclusively for their store that would be fine. But forcing people to use your store if they want to play a 3rd party multiplat on PC is just stupid. 

Edit: Anyway having multiple stores, and having to navigate DRM policies or EULAs hurts PC gaming overall. Things were much better when everything was on Steam and those other stores were purely optional.

If you played Subnautica around the time it was given to us, then offline mode wasn't available then.  Not until February.  If it was recently, then you'd have to ask their developer why they made it always online for Epic.  But the fact remains that EGS has an offline mode. I'm not making it up.

Borderlands 3 uses Denuvo DRM.  Nothing to do with Epic.  Again, ask the developer/publisher why they made that decision.  Though apparently people have been finding ways around the always online. And this is also not a fair comparison since you're comparing PC and console.

Anyways, we're not going to agree on the multiple launchers bit. Only that hardly any of the other launchers have been "optional". Steam has exclusives.  GOG has exclusives.  Origin has exclusives. And I'll be buying games where I can get the best deal.  If I have to click 30 pixels to the left in order to open a different launcher, then I'll do it, no matter how harrowing and stressful the experience is.

Eh, I guess I'll give EGS another try. Maybe RNGesus hates me, and I happened to pick the only two games on EGS that have always online DRM?

It's not simply a matter of clicking 30 pixels to the left. It's convoluted and unnecessary to need to have 5-7 launchers, and 5-7 passwords just to keep track of all your PC games. Can you imagine there being five different eShops on Switch? One for each major publisher? Now imagine there being a crapshoot of wildly varying DRM and EULA policies per store.

If any other platform had the ridiculousness of storefronts that PC has, it would get laughed out of the park. But because it's PC we are all going to give it a pass?



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Cerebralbore101 said:
CladInShadows said:

If you played Subnautica around the time it was given to us, then offline mode wasn't available then.  Not until February.  If it was recently, then you'd have to ask their developer why they made it always online for Epic.  But the fact remains that EGS has an offline mode. I'm not making it up.

Borderlands 3 uses Denuvo DRM.  Nothing to do with Epic.  Again, ask the developer/publisher why they made that decision.  Though apparently people have been finding ways around the always online. And this is also not a fair comparison since you're comparing PC and console.

Anyways, we're not going to agree on the multiple launchers bit. Only that hardly any of the other launchers have been "optional". Steam has exclusives.  GOG has exclusives.  Origin has exclusives. And I'll be buying games where I can get the best deal.  If I have to click 30 pixels to the left in order to open a different launcher, then I'll do it, no matter how harrowing and stressful the experience is.

Eh, I guess I'll give EGS another try. Maybe RNGesus hates me, and I happened to pick the only two games on EGS that have always online DRM?

It's not simply a matter of clicking 30 pixels to the left. It's convoluted and unnecessary to need to have 5-7 launchers, and 5-7 passwords just to keep track of all your PC games. Can you imagine there being five different eShops on Switch? One for each major publisher? Now imagine there being a crapshoot of wildly varying DRM and EULA policies per store.

If any other platform had the ridiculousness of storefronts that PC has, it would get laughed out of the park. But because it's PC we are all going to give it a pass?

We don't question RNGesus. We just try to move forward.

I understand.  That's the price of an open platform, my friend! I just don't personally see the big deal.  I don't really consider it a true exclusive if all I need to do to gain access is to install a new launcher.  It's not like I have a Playstation and a game I really want to play is only on XBOX.  It's not enough of a hurdle that I'd refuse to play a game because it was on a different launcher.

Seriously though....GOG Galaxy 2.0 is already making this mostly a non-issue.  I can only imagine how things will be as they continue to add more features.



Cerebralbore101 said:

Can you imagine there being five different eShops on Switch? One for each major publisher? Now imagine there being a crapshoot of wildly varying DRM and EULA policies per store.

If any other platform had the ridiculousness of storefronts that PC has, it would get laughed out of the park. But because it's PC we are all going to give it a pass?

Can you imagine there being five different digital stores on Switch or PlayStation? Some with games Nintendo or Sony doesn't offer in certain regions or doesn't offer at all? Or uncensored versions of games which are censored in the eShop or PS-Store?

Some digital competition leading to lower prices / more sales? Getting more freebies in different digital stores on that platform?

Some digital stores with better search filters or faster download speeds than eShop and PS-Store?

Some digital stores where you can get a refund for a bad game or if you chose the wrong version of a game?

Some digital stores where you can talk in forums about games, give tips or look up some user guides?

Some digital stores where you can read some user reviews instead for your buying decision instead of just "counting stars" (PS-Store) or have no user ratings at all (eShop)?

Some digital stores with additional payment methods or a gifting option?

Last edited by Conina - on 07 January 2020