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zorg1000 on 23 June 2015
Burek said:
zorg1000 said:


No, those mainstream 3rd party games primarily appeal to one demographic, teen/adult males, their are many other demographics out like kids, women, parents, non-gamers. DS/Wii did an excellent job at winning these crowds over but 3DS/Wii U have not, we can sit here and pretend it's impossible to win these people over again because of smart devices but that's pretty short-sighted.


No, those people are never coming back to consoles, it's done. Women, parents, grandparents will never buy another Nintendo console, or any other.

Can you imagine either PS4 or Xone sales if only one of those four developers wer missing...I assure you they would take a steep nosedive. And here you have a system where all four are missing - no wonder it cannot sell outside the hardcore followers even at a fraction of XOne/PS4 price. And without 3rd party onboard for NX, they won't be able to give it away...


And why exactly will they never return? That's pretty ignorant and short-sighted, I bet u were one of the people back in 2004/2005 that thought Nintendo was on the way out because every console sold less than the last and they would lose the handheld market to Sony. There was no way the weak, gimmicky devices could dream of competing against the much more powerful, multimedia machines. Now here we are about a decade later and people are spouting the same shit.



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97alexk on 23 June 2015
Anfebious said:
97alexk said:

WHy cant you people stop focusing so much on the future and let nintendo do that, and when it comes to the point , then you can specualate, all this speculation isnt gonna lead anywhere. Maybe they are doing something entirely different we dont know, they have stuck around for the longest, i think they can stick around a bit longer. Can we just play the amazing games that come out now, and when time comes and they announce things then we can complain.

They can't because it's a gentle stroke to the ego. Knowing that by spitting random predictions one day yours could be the one that was right (even if you had no idea of what you said) is nice. It's a part of being in this forum.

So quitely shut your trap and let me stroke my ego a bit now.

OT: I predict that the NX is absolutely ready for next gen and it will blow everyone away.

i hope that was sarcastic



Burek on 23 June 2015
zorg1000 said:


And why exactly will they never return? That's pretty ignorant and short-sighted, I bet u were one of the people back in 2004/2005 that thought Nintendo was on the way out because every console sold less than the last and they would lose the handheld market to Sony. There was no way the weak, gimmicky devices could dream of competing against the much more powerful, multimedia machines. Now here we are about a decade later and people are spouting the same shit.

Because it just is, there are many more possibilities for people's entertianment than back then. You need to realize that 10 years is a very long time for technology in the 21st century, but you seem to have stayed back in the 20th together with Nintendo's executives.

Nintendo is an archaic organization that knows only how to sell toys, and cannot compete in the modern electronic entertainment industry. They are a dinosaur, and are never coming back from that. Their next home console will sell even worse than the current one.

They make archaic games for a very limited, shrinking market, and since the console buyers generally don't care for those games, and little children enjoy their tablets and phones more, they will never reach a wider audience.



Pavolink on 23 June 2015

"4. They're lost when it comes to HD development. This is probably one of the worst factors. This is the main reason why we had so many delays on the Wii U. They were a generation late when it came to HD development and are still struggling to this day."

Agree. They are so incompetent. They believes all their games are the best (and they are the best developers) but at the same time feels like they are doing us a favor releasing a game we have to pay for.



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MoHasanie on 23 June 2015
RolStoppable said:
MoHasanie said:

I don't have any proof but its not it's not hard to understand that Nintendo consoles, just like MS and Sony ones, do need third party support from Western publishers. Nintendo can't rely on Japan only, and for it to attract customers in the west, they need to make their consoles just as powerful as the PS4 and X1, and they need third party games. After that, they can focus on differentiating their console from the other two, but Nintendo exclusives and Japanese games won't be enough for the NX to do well in the west. 

In the past Nintendo has already committed the mistake that you suggest them to make again. If they design their console for third parties first and then try to differentiate themselves, they'll only end up with an unappealing system; system doesn't sell, third parties abandon ship. The GC was easier to program for than the PS2, more powerful and cheaper, but none of that helped. So what Nintendo really has to do is make a system that sells, because that's the only way that they can hope to get third party support.

But really, the importance of third party support will decrease with Nintendo's new strategy, because their own software will release at a more constant rate. All of that software will be exclusive. Additionally, it won't hurt Nintendo if people buy PS+NX or Xbox+NX due to the absence of certain third party IPs on NX, because they get their sale regardless. The utmost priority for Nintendo is to make a system that sells, and if you look at the sales of multiplatform games on previous Nintendo systems, then it should be absolutely clear that first party software and exclusive third party software is much more important than multiplats. Therefore your suggestion to design the system for multiplats first is... well, it's nonsensical.

But I don't understand that. Having a powerful console benefits Nintendo as well. Instead of making the console more poweful or weaker than the PS4, they should make it extremely similar, so third party devs don't have trouble making games for the NX as well. 

Its hard for Nintendo (or anyone) to release games at a constant rate, and even if they plan out an exclusive release schedule years in advance, delays and other problems could ruin that plan. So in between those weeks/months where there are no exclusives, a third party game could easily fill the gap. 

And why do people have to buy PS+NX or Xbox +NX? Why can't they just buy the NX alone? If Nintendo can make a console like their competitors but offer the same uniqueness that their games have always offered, then they can take some of PS+Xbox's markershare, as well as attract the Nintendo fans and  the kids they've always targetted with their games. And not many people buy multiple consoles. Its only the core gamers that do that and they make up a small percentage of the market. Most people just buy one. 

Finally, making a system that sells its not so easy. We've seen that Nintendo games aren't enough to attract people. If they want a system to sell then they need the NX to have a gimmick, and that won't be easy for them to find and make. 



    

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Pavolink on 23 June 2015
MoHasanie said:
RolStoppable said:

In the past Nintendo has already committed the mistake that you suggest them to make again. If they design their console for third parties first and then try to differentiate themselves, they'll only end up with an unappealing system; system doesn't sell, third parties abandon ship. The GC was easier to program for than the PS2, more powerful and cheaper, but none of that helped. So what Nintendo really has to do is make a system that sells, because that's the only way that they can hope to get third party support.

But really, the importance of third party support will decrease with Nintendo's new strategy, because their own software will release at a more constant rate. All of that software will be exclusive. Additionally, it won't hurt Nintendo if people buy PS+NX or Xbox+NX due to the absence of certain third party IPs on NX, because they get their sale regardless. The utmost priority for Nintendo is to make a system that sells, and if you look at the sales of multiplatform games on previous Nintendo systems, then it should be absolutely clear that first party software and exclusive third party software is much more important than multiplats. Therefore your suggestion to design the system for multiplats first is... well, it's nonsensical.

But I don't understand that. Having a powerful console benefits Nintendo as well. Instead of making the console more poweful or weaker than the PS4, they should make it extremely similar, so third party devs don't have trouble making games for the NX as well. 

Its hard for Nintendo (or anyone) to release games at a constant rate, and even if they plan out an exclusive release schedule years in advance, delays and other problems could ruin that plan. So in between those weeks/months where there are no exclusives, a third party game could easily fill the gap. 

And why do people have to buy PS+NX or Xbox +NX? Why can't they just buy the NX alone? If Nintendo can make a console like their competitors but offer the same uniqueness that their games have always offered, then they can take some of PS+Xbox's markershare, as well as attract the Nintendo fans and  the kids they've always targetted with their games. And not many people buy multiple consoles. Its only the core gamers that do that and they make up a small percentage of the market. Most people just buy one. 

Finally, making a system that sells its not so easy. We've seen that Nintendo games aren't enough to attract people. If they want a system to sell then they need the NX to have a gimmick, and that won't be easy for them to find and make. 

That's not how it works. Even if the hardware is identical to PS4, third parties won't release their games on Wii U or any Nintendo homeconsole because the userbase doesn't care for their games.

PS4 and XOne has those games because that's mostly the kind of games that are on the console developed by first parties. The audience that buys Uncharted and Halo is willing to buy Mass Effect and Fallout. We can't say the same about the audience of Animal Crossing, Super Mario 3D World, DKC Tropical Freeze and Yoshi Wolly World.

What Nintendo needs is to cater again to the traditional Nintendo gamer, the one that drolls with a Zelda like Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Super Mario 64 or Super Mario Galaxy, F-ZeroGX, Fire Emblem, etc. Those gamers could (maybe, tal vez) cater to games like Call of Duty, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, etc.

Nintendo needs to cater to them and do some deals with third parties to flood the hardware with those games. Maybe when gamers see the offerings they are going to buy it.



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zorg1000 on 23 June 2015
Burek said:
zorg1000 said:


And why exactly will they never return? That's pretty ignorant and short-sighted, I bet u were one of the people back in 2004/2005 that thought Nintendo was on the way out because every console sold less than the last and they would lose the handheld market to Sony. There was no way the weak, gimmicky devices could dream of competing against the much more powerful, multimedia machines. Now here we are about a decade later and people are spouting the same shit.

Because it just is, there are many more possibilities for people's entertianment than back then. You need to realize that 10 years is a very long time for technology in the 21st century, but you seem to have stayed back in the 20th together with Nintendo's executives.

Nintendo is an archaic organization that knows only how to sell toys, and cannot compete in the modern electronic entertainment industry. They are a dinosaur, and are never coming back from that. Their next home console will sell even worse than the current one.

They make archaic games for a very limited, shrinking market, and since the console buyers generally don't care for those games, and little children enjoy their tablets and phones more, they will never reach a wider audience.


Because it just is, very compelling argument. U do realize the most successful generation anybody has ever had is 21st century Nintendo?



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MoHasanie on 23 June 2015
Pavolink said:

That's not how it works. Even if the hardware is identical to PS4, third parties won't release their games on Wii U or any Nintendo homeconsole because the userbase doesn't care for their games.

PS4 and XOne has those games because that's mostly the kind of games that are on the console developed by first parties. The audience that buys Uncharted and Halo is willing to buy Mass Effect and Fallout. We can't say the same about the audience of Animal Crossing, Super Mario 3D World, DKC Tropical Freeze and Yoshi Wolly World.

What Nintendo needs is to cater again to the traditional Nintendo gamer, the one that drolls with a Zelda like Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Super Mario 64 or Super Mario Galaxy, F-ZeroGX, Fire Emblem, etc. Those gamers could (maybe, tal vez) cater to games like Call of Duty, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, etc.

Nintendo needs to cater to them and do some deals with third parties to flood the hardware with those games. Maybe when gamers see the offerings they are going to buy it.

Ah, I see what you mean. Then I guess Nintendo needs to do something to fix the problem and I'm not sure what they can do. Making a console that sells well is easy to say but its extremely difficult to do, especially because the NX will come out right in the middle of the PS4 and X1's lives. And convincing third party's to support the system doesn't work either. So I guess there really is no way to get third party's to support the system. 

If Nintendo makes a console that only appeals to Nintendo fans, then the system will end up selling like the Gamecube. I guess it could be profitable, depending on how Nintendo designs it, and that is the most important thing. 



    

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Dr.Vita on 23 June 2015

Agree.




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Mystro-Sama on 23 June 2015
Koinzell said:
alternine said:
Iwata, Reggie, Miyamoto, they all have to go. A clean sweep. Management needs new blood.


It's hard to imagine at first, but they have to make a cut. Square Enix made this cut, and they have done it right. They are making profit again because of a few smart moves the past years (including a cut in the Management). Regie never was a good Businessman, I think he know that, but it's his presence what makes Nintendo of America a pleasant Company. But I think Nintendo of America needs a man who makes better decisions. Miyamoto is, without a doubt, one of Japans greatest Videogame Masterminds, and most people think, his Job is nothing more than to supervise a few projects and smile into the Cameras. The truth is, Miyamoto isn't the nice guy you see at E3 oder Nintendo Directs. He's, compared to Regie, a Businessman with a clear perspective. But his perspective is, in the year 2015, old fashioned. His "Gameplay comes before everything else" Philosophy is not an Option anymore. Yes, Gameplay should be fun and smooth, but you also have to tell a good Story and sometime you have to go beyond borders to present unique Features. I mean, it's still great what Miyamoto is doing, but I think it's not good enugh anymore for Nintendos future. The guys working under Miyamoto don't have the freedom they want, in many "Iwata Asks" you will read this concern of his employees. During development, Miyamoto is dismissing many great ideas.

And last but not least, Iwata. Iwata is an charismatic Leader. He was great as a programmer, and he knows to handle a business. The success of the DS and the Wii is also the achievement of a lot of his decisions. But like many men in this business, he made a pretty bad decisions the past few years. Putting less Power in new Nintendos Systems for the sake of design and less noise, the Regional Lockout and he even dismissed many ideas when it comes to Games. Spirit Camera was his idea. You know, green lighting a crap like Spirit Camera instead of a Fatal Frame Remake on the 3DS is a pretty bold move, or a pretty dumb decision.

So yeah, with Nintendos current management, it may not get better. Nintendo needs a new Philosophy, they need a Management with smarter ideas. It could be so easy. You even make progress when you simply remove the Regional Lockout on a Handheld. Heck, remove the whole Lockout on every System instead of decide which Games fits better to a specific Country.

Or other simple features like a propper Online-System. Get rid of Console based Account-System, add Trophies to your Games. An Nintendo employee stated a few years, he never heard of a feature like Trophies or Achievements until the Wii U was launched. Please let DeNA handle handle the Nintendo Network the upcoming years, these guys know what they are doing.

 

SE got rid of execs? I didn't know that...