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Darwinianevolution on 17 June 2015
Soundwave said:
JNK said:

not sure if this will work. We got the 8GB and 32 Gb wii u which at least goes in the same direction (8gb cheaper for casuals, 32gb more expensive for hardcores) but it doesnt worked well. 

Im sure it doesnt matter what nintendo is doing, their image is bad and they dont have the capabilieties to support their system enough to compensate the lack of third party.

One big third party publisher (like Square enix) showed more aaa games as nintendo. If one publisher is even better then you, how will you win against all of them?

 

Also nintendo have enough money to make the wii u still a sucsess. Get alot exclusives deals, bring the AAA 3rd on the system (pay of them) and more. But they decided not to do so.


They will get third party support if they go the multiple device ecosystem approach. 

Because Japanese developers will support it just to get their games on the Nintendo handheld if nothing else, but all those games will then also be playable on the home version. 

And Square-Enix will support it too. 

They should change the rules of the game. Just because they've done things a certain way for 30 years doesn't mean it was going to be done that way forever. 

I think their best bet is to making a bleeding edge portable ... 600 GFLOPS or so. Then make a cheap, family console version. And then a higher end home version that's more powerful than the PS4 that runs games at 1080P. 

Games scale up and down, but they are playable on all devices. No more Mario 3D Land and Mario 3D World, there is just one Mario 3D game and it works on both. 

Third parties would support the Wii U if it had the 3DS' userbase (50+ million), but the 3DS has the userbase but doesn't have the hardware power. Wii U has OK hardware power but doesn't have the userbase. Unified platform solves this problem. 

This. I think the Fusion idea would be perfect for Nintendo. Their software would be able to sell on two devices at the same time. Whatever is lost in hardware sale could be compensated on software. Companies that traditionally support handhelds could expand their userbase to home consoles. Western developers wouldn't care that much, but they don't care for Nintendo already, so it's not a big loss. If you get SE, Capcom, Sega-Atlus, TecmoKoei, Namco... The console would attract suddenly to people that love japanese games, even if PS has a firm grasp on that market too.



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Soundwave on 17 June 2015
JNK said:
Soundwave said:


They will get third party support if they go the multiple device ecosystem approach. 

Because Japanese developers will support it just to get their games on the Nintendo handheld if nothing else, but all those games will then also be playable on the home version. 

And Square-Enix will support it too. 

They should change the rules of the game. Just because they've done things a certain way for 30 years doesn't mean it was going to be done that way forever. 

I think their best bet is to making a bleeding edge portable ... 600 GFLOPS or so. Then make a cheap, family console version. And then a higher end home version that's more powerful than the PS4 that runs games at 1080P. 

Games scale up and down, but they are playable on all devices. No more Mario 3D Land and Mario 3D World, there is just one Mario 3D game and it works on both. 

Third parties would support the Wii U if it had the 3DS' userbase (50+ million), but the 3DS has the userbase but doesn't have the hardware power. Wii U has OK hardware power but doesn't have the userbase. Unified platform solves this problem. 


well alot companies said there games are not even possible on weak hardware. Like pCars on Wii u. Or witcher 3 on 7th gen.

So im not sure if this scaling really would work. Also all games would ned to be optimized for each hardware, which make development harder and more expensive. Something nintendo shouldnt want.


PC developers deal with scalable architectures all the time, the same game can run on a 500 GFLOP GPU as a 1.5 TFLOP GPU. 

So Nintendo could very well have lets say "Mario Galaxy 3" run at 960x540 resolution with low/medium effects on the handheld, and run at 1280x1080 full HD resolution + high effects on the console variant. 

It's a little more difficult, sure, but it's much preferable to the alternative that Nintendo is doing right now, which is they either need to make Mario 3D Land and 3D World (completely seprate games that each take 18-24 months of development). 

Mobile processors are no joke anymore either, if you took 3-4 Apple A8x chips and threw them into a box the size of an SNES, you'd actually have a very powerful console fairly close to an XBox One in power. 



AnthonyW86 on 17 June 2015
Burek said:
No AAA 3rd party support = flop.

Simple as that.


The only chance for Nintendo to get some proper 3rd party support now is to integrate the PC platform in some way, for example SteamOS as a secondary boot. That way 3rd party's don't have to port to Nintendo's system themselves in order for it to get atleast some of the big multi platform games.



NoirSon on 17 June 2015

If the NX is a Wii U replacement it will fail. This generation is still not truly done and neither PS4 or Xbox One have fired off their big guns which means trying to jump into the fight again now would be suicide.

If it is replacing the 3DS, it could do well. A bump in power making more Wii U ports available would not only help the handheld market but also the Wii U.




JRPGfan on 17 June 2015

Too early to tell on a system we know nothing about.

The only thing we know so far is they will fuse (fusion) handheld + consol together, and have the same game platform for both.



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midrange on 17 June 2015
JNK said:

the nx will fail hard in my opinion, at least as a home console.

 

No matter what nintendo is doing, alot gamer will never take them serious. For them, nintendo is only for "kids". Mario and co are colourfull and thats not what they want. Simple as it is. These people dont got a wii, not a wii u not a gamecube and wont get the nx. And thats alot people.

 

Nintendo fans will get less and less because nintendo do so much to fck them up. Actual wii u owners are the biggest nintendo fans out there. And what is nintendo doing? Dont release any more games in 2016, dont released games in 2013, dont released games first half 2015. Thats less then 2 Years Software support to be honest. Im a big nintendo fan but im not blind. Sony and MS exclusives lineup this holilday is way better then nintendos. And they even have all the third partys support nintendo will never get. Im sure many wii u owners will switch to other consoles if nintendo really bring nx in 2016 (and it looks like that) and dont bring much more games on wii u. You shouldnt fck up your loyaliest fans nintendo.

 

Casual wont get the console either because they are fine with playing on tablet/smarphone. They dont have high standarts in terms of gaming. They are fine with candy crush and co.

 

So who will buy the nx? 

Im very sure it will flop, no matter what nintendo is doing to the system. I wont get it pretty sure, because if the nx flops nintendo will give 2 years software and make next console. Hell, ps3/xbox 360 got more games in 2015  then wii u so far and will probl even get more games in 2016. Thats ridicoulus.

 

Ill sell my wiiu now, as long as its worth something. Wont play xenoblade but im ok with that, ill get enough on ps4 to compensate this one game.

 

Hell MS/Sony got a better first party support this holiday as nintendo and they got all the third party support addional. This is ridicoulus. 

Woah chill out, we don't even have any infromation on what the console is or what specs it will have.

Regarding 3rd party, I will say this. One of the biggest reasons it is gone, is because the hardware was simply atrocious to work with. Not only does it share similar specs to the ps3 and xbox 360, it's architecture is so customized and different from the others that porting to it becomes ridiculous. Ubisoft and Slightly Mad Studios were about as good as it gets for third party, and even they dropped out due to hardware and low sales.

As long as Nintendo makes a console that everyone can easily use, they should do waaaaay better than the wii u



Ryng on 17 June 2015

Agreeed.



JNK on 17 June 2015
midrange said:
JNK said:

the nx will fail hard in my opinion, at least as a home console.

 

No matter what nintendo is doing, alot gamer will never take them serious. For them, nintendo is only for "kids". Mario and co are colourfull and thats not what they want. Simple as it is. These people dont got a wii, not a wii u not a gamecube and wont get the nx. And thats alot people.

 

Nintendo fans will get less and less because nintendo do so much to fck them up. Actual wii u owners are the biggest nintendo fans out there. And what is nintendo doing? Dont release any more games in 2016, dont released games in 2013, dont released games first half 2015. Thats less then 2 Years Software support to be honest. Im a big nintendo fan but im not blind. Sony and MS exclusives lineup this holilday is way better then nintendos. And they even have all the third partys support nintendo will never get. Im sure many wii u owners will switch to other consoles if nintendo really bring nx in 2016 (and it looks like that) and dont bring much more games on wii u. You shouldnt fck up your loyaliest fans nintendo.

 

Casual wont get the console either because they are fine with playing on tablet/smarphone. They dont have high standarts in terms of gaming. They are fine with candy crush and co.

 

So who will buy the nx? 

Im very sure it will flop, no matter what nintendo is doing to the system. I wont get it pretty sure, because if the nx flops nintendo will give 2 years software and make next console. Hell, ps3/xbox 360 got more games in 2015  then wii u so far and will probl even get more games in 2016. Thats ridicoulus.

 

Ill sell my wiiu now, as long as its worth something. Wont play xenoblade but im ok with that, ill get enough on ps4 to compensate this one game.

 

Hell MS/Sony got a better first party support this holiday as nintendo and they got all the third party support addional. This is ridicoulus. 

Woah chill out, we don't even have any infromation on what the console is or what specs it will have.

Regarding 3rd party, I will say this. One of the biggest reasons it is gone, is because the hardware was simply atrocious to work with. Not only does it share similar specs to the ps3 and xbox 360, it's architecture is so customized and different from the others that porting to it becomes ridiculous. Ubisoft and Slightly Mad Studios were about as good as it gets for third party, and even they dropped out due to hardware and low sales.

As long as Nintendo makes a console that everyone can easily use, they should do waaaaay better than the wii u


yeah but they dont have problems with just dance, disney infinite, skyscraper and all the lego games?



Ruler on 17 June 2015

I think it will do okay if they make it x86 architecture, make it powered like the x1 to sell it cheaper. Because that fits more with their bussines model.

How many mac user are out there 10 million? yet on steam every day games getting ported to OSX and linux as well.



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midrange on 17 June 2015
JNK said:
midrange said:

Woah chill out, we don't even have any infromation on what the console is or what specs it will have.

Regarding 3rd party, I will say this. One of the biggest reasons it is gone, is because the hardware was simply atrocious to work with. Not only does it share similar specs to the ps3 and xbox 360, it's architecture is so customized and different from the others that porting to it becomes ridiculous. Ubisoft and Slightly Mad Studios were about as good as it gets for third party, and even they dropped out due to hardware and low sales.

As long as Nintendo makes a console that everyone can easily use, they should do waaaaay better than the wii u


yeah but they dont have problems with just dance, disney infinite, skyscraper and all the lego games?

I wouldn't really call those games "graphically and computationally" extensive. Their not the ones struggling with the hardware, and it makes sense that they are all that's left for third parties on wii u.