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shameonhate on 17 June 2015

Baseless claims. you don't know what the NX is so it's unpredictable.



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Jranation on 17 June 2015

Yeah, Sony has really supported the PSVITA with games BIG TIME. And i thought they abandoned it.



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potato_hamster on 17 June 2015
Soundwave said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Nintendo is in a very difficult situation. After the Wii, 3rd party don't take them seriously. They don't trust Nintendo's approach to home consoles (who could have predicted the Wii? And the WiiU?). Nintendo has two options for the future.

-Follow what everyone is doing to try and get 3rd parties. Make a system more powerful than the PS4 to try and get support and compete with this gen HD twins and next gen Ultra HD twins. The problem with this are a lot. The most important is, even if Nintendo makes a system powerful and easy to develop for, other companies may still not make games for them. Imagine the WiiU debacle again: everyone proclaimed they would support the system, and in one year it was clear everyone had abandoned ship. Second, a console that costs as much as a PS4 or a XBone with half or less the support would fail, even with Nintendo fans. Third, a traditional route would mean no fusion, and that would mean competing with their handheld, probably as powerful or close as a 360 (mobile thech is really good by now), and that would be catastrophic for the home console.

-Do whatever Nintendo wants. Ignore the majority of third parties. Make the console Nintendo wants, cheap for the market, even if it's underpowered. 3rd parties won't even look at it, but Nintendo can compensate by developing a lot of games from the beginning and fast. Buy studios and grow big enough to support the console almost on its entirety. If Nintendo want to fuse home consoles and handhelds, let them do it. A couple of well chosen 3rd parties and a virtual console strong from the beginning (from NES to WiiU/3DS). Nintendo would really need to create more IPs to compensate the lack of 3rd party (more Splatoon and less S.T.E.A.M.). Invest part of that Wii/DS money sitting on the bank. This would be the more risky route, sure. But it would be the one that would pay off the most.

Neither option is perfect, both have a real risk of failing horribly, but with their home consoles underpowered and unpopular and the handheld market devoured by mobile, they don't have that much choice.


So change the rules. Stop making 1 console that's supposed to make everyone happy, it's not 1985 anymore. Make different models of the NX and let the consumer choose which they want. 


How do you think Steam machines are going to do? Probably terribly. This is the exact same idea.



oniyide on 17 June 2015

should they just ride out the WIi U then?



potato_hamster on 17 June 2015
Darwinianevolution said:
Soundwave said:
JNK said:

not sure if this will work. We got the 8GB and 32 Gb wii u which at least goes in the same direction (8gb cheaper for casuals, 32gb more expensive for hardcores) but it doesnt worked well. 

Im sure it doesnt matter what nintendo is doing, their image is bad and they dont have the capabilieties to support their system enough to compensate the lack of third party.

One big third party publisher (like Square enix) showed more aaa games as nintendo. If one publisher is even better then you, how will you win against all of them?

 

Also nintendo have enough money to make the wii u still a sucsess. Get alot exclusives deals, bring the AAA 3rd on the system (pay of them) and more. But they decided not to do so.


They will get third party support if they go the multiple device ecosystem approach. 

Because Japanese developers will support it just to get their games on the Nintendo handheld if nothing else, but all those games will then also be playable on the home version. 

And Square-Enix will support it too. 

They should change the rules of the game. Just because they've done things a certain way for 30 years doesn't mean it was going to be done that way forever. 

I think their best bet is to making a bleeding edge portable ... 600 GFLOPS or so. Then make a cheap, family console version. And then a higher end home version that's more powerful than the PS4 that runs games at 1080P. 

Games scale up and down, but they are playable on all devices. No more Mario 3D Land and Mario 3D World, there is just one Mario 3D game and it works on both. 

Third parties would support the Wii U if it had the 3DS' userbase (50+ million), but the 3DS has the userbase but doesn't have the hardware power. Wii U has OK hardware power but doesn't have the userbase. Unified platform solves this problem. 

This. I think the Fusion idea would be perfect for Nintendo. Their software would be able to sell on two devices at the same time. Whatever is lost in hardware sale could be compensated on software. Companies that traditionally support handhelds could expand their userbase to home consoles. Western developers wouldn't care that much, but they don't care for Nintendo already, so it's not a big loss. If you get SE, Capcom, Sega-Atlus, TecmoKoei, Namco... The console would attract suddenly to people that love japanese games, even if PS has a firm grasp on that market too.


Do you guys know anything about console video game development? Do you guys know anything about the costs associated with developing for more than one platform or spec? Do you guys have any idea have such a move would lead to the complete and utter abandonment of third parties? Anyone?

You guys need to let this idea go, and let it go quickly. Before you go saying something along the lines of games "scaling up and down". It simply does not work that way, and even if it did, it would require tremendously good developer tools, and Nintendo's developer tools are the absolute worst, and I really do mean the worst by a country mile. It's almost twice as hard to make a game run well on the Wii U than it is to make it run well on the PS4.  Now you need to make a game run well on three or four specs? Forget it. Absolutely forget it. Third parties wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.



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PenguinZ on 17 June 2015
oniyide said:
should they just ride out the WIi U then?


They should show that they can competently support their own system. For the most part this generation, they really haven't.



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Pavolink on 17 June 2015

If the theory of being Fusion is right, it could be very succesful, at least as long as they do real games we asked for and not repeat the same software mistake they do with Wii U.



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pokoko on 17 June 2015

The NX will get third party support.

Mark it down.

It's going to play all kinds of mobile games and it's going to slay in the casual market.



hansrob00 on 17 June 2015

3rd party publishers are desperate for money because the video game market is very competitive. With that said, Nintendo is probably preparing their major ips for a 2016 date with the release of the NX. I think they probably already have a number of 3rd party publishers on board, at least at launch. I think they are banking on doing a strong launch with their IPs combined with initial 3rd support (even the wii u had 3rd party support at launch). Assuming the launch goes well and sales remain strong for the initial 6 months which their initial offerings combined with initial 3rd parties should help, More 3rd parties will begin putting their games on their platform as long as their new console or NX ecosystem sales remain healthy.  At least this is Nintendo's hopes I believe.



oniyide on 17 June 2015
PenguinZ said:
oniyide said:
should they just ride out the WIi U then?


They should show that they can competently support their own system. For the most part this generation, they really haven't.


after all this time you think they are going to start NOW? cause after yesterday i dont think they are going to